Suggested changes to Ashe

Mira Arya Enthe··5 votes·488 views

Hey there! Ashe main here, got some suggested changes, nerfs and thematic alteration suggestions for Ashe.

Been maining Ashe for a long time now as my primary ADC, in fact I only recently picked up Sivir because Ashe is always banned or taken. So Ashe is my ADC and my only true love :D

Just... one problem. She is damn OP, and her Q makes zero sense thematically. Ashe is meant to be a ranger, and originally had a passive that gave her first shot sniping power, a slow and ult that give her control, and a E and ult that gives her map presence. She was meant to serve as a tactical ADC with a lot of map control and quick engagement burst. NOT a machine gun! We already have Tristana, Kog'Maw and Jinx who are 'machine guns'. Ashe is meant for kiting, map presence and tactical engagements. As such, I think the best changes to her would be to focus on these things, taking away the 'machine gun' Q for good. Which was not part of her original design. She wasn't meant to be a turret, she was meant to be a kiting/chasing champ who never stands still and gives her team a lot of tools.

Suggested Rework:

Passive: Unchanged, it is a crit modifier that removes the annoying unreliability of crit from her kit. I love this.


Q: Ranger's Focus, 16/14/12/10/8 CD, 50/55/60/65/70 Mana On activation Ashe's next basic attack gains 10/20/30/40/50 range and the precise strike deals 10/20/30/40/50+20%AD bonus damage as physical damage. This ability resets the autoattack timer.


W: Mana cost increased to 80 from 50 at all ranks to reduce early game harass power. As this is one of her strongest assets at the moment.


E: Unchanged


Ultimate: .5 second cast animation with cool effects added. Hitbox width reduced slightly and arrow made to look more narrow and sleak with it. Speed increased to 1800 from 1600. This change reduces the toxic surprise factor of her ult in bot lane dominance. And makes dodging it more possible. But also increases the missile speed so that longer range shots are still possible. All other global range ADC ults have a cast time and animation, making them more fair, but it also looks cool.


Personally, I feel this change, mostly the Q change, would fix Ashe's identity. I never saw her as a machine gun pelting out some of the highest DPS in League, I saw her as a high utility ADC with a surprise attack ranger feeling, and global presence.

Thoughts?

9 Comments

Keira Helsh5 votes

I've always thought the flurry-shot archer thing doesn't make sense physically either. Plus, she's still talking all the time about one arrow. Not, 1, 2, 3, 4... 56789 arrows.

ModWulf Helhammer1 votes

That one arrow is her ult

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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That one arrow is her ult

That wasn't at all the purpose of my post. Ashe gameplay wise was never meant to be a machine gun turret like Kog'Maw or Jinx, or a high attack speed pelting machine like Trist. She was meant for map control, precise and sudden strikes, and high ability to kite and chase. Her Q is not only the reason she is permaban right now, but it also doesn't fit her original design, and feels awkward to use with her overall gameplay style.

But thank you for your input.

ModWulf Helhammer2 votes

I want replying to your post, I was replying to that guys comment.

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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I want replying to your post, I was replying to that guys comment.

Ah well... "I only need one shot." And "They won't escape my aim." Are generally just about how precise and skilled she is. It has nothing to do with her ult. But her Q certainly doesn't make her feel precise, it makes her feel like she just throws as many attacks as possible all at once.

redfeenix3 votes

Yeah it doesn't make sense the q should change the rest is fine the way it is. Your idea of gaining bonus range is interesting but thats really strong, and it's the same as an item. Skills should be unique. Perhaps just bonus dmg?

But then it might become too similar to Varus.

All I know is how the fk a ranger rapid fires icicles or whatever I have no idea. Arrows take time to notch. Is she just throwing icicles in the meantime? Or perhaps it's just a magic bow

Mira Arya Enthe2 votes

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Yeah it doesn't make sense the q should change the rest is fine the way it is. Tour idea of gaining bonus range is interesting but thats really strong. Perhaps just bonus dmg.

But then it might become too similsr to Varus.

All I know is how the fk a ranger rapid fires icicles or whatever I have no idea. Arrows take time to notch. Is she just throwing icicles in the meantime? Or perhaps it's just a magic bow

Physics aside, it just doesn't have the feeling that made Ashe fun IMO. The Q feels more like the other rapid fire ADCs in the game. My idea is to make the range boost and damage weak early game and strong late game. But still keep it on a long CD 16-8s so it cannot be used to take Caitlyn's place as the early harass ADC. Either way, even if my idea wasn't used, almost anything would be better than her current Q.

Ashe shouldn't even have a primary DPS boost, she didn't in the past because she brings too much utility to the table. Riot gave her a DPS boost on par with the best hyper carry ADCs, and no surprise. It made her broken.

The Scout Girl2 votes

Her current Q just feels wrong. I remember that classic feeling of singular arrows whistling through the air. The new one makes kiting, DPS and harass feel meh. I don't necessarily like your solution but anything other than multishot would feel nice. But people will defend the current design because A: They fear change B: Purely because of Runnan's laser thing.

Mira Arya Enthe1 votes

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Her current Q just feels wrong. I remember that classic feeling of singular arrows whistling through the air. The new one makes kiting, DPS and harass feel meh. I don't necessarily like your solution but anything other than multishot would feel nice. But people will defend the current design because A: They fear change B: Purely because of Runnan's laser thing.

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