What is Rivens Weakness?

Romans VI XXIII··5 votes·1,079 views

Seriously what is she weak at and to?

She has: Strong Damage, High Burst, high sustained damage, 2 forms of Hard CC, Insane mobility, High survivability/sustain, strong early game, stong mid game, strong late game, Amazing scaling, can build class cannon and still be tanky, Who knows what else im missing.

Seriously, what about any of that is weak? And dont say shes weak to CC, cause every one is weak to CC thats the point of having CC. She has all of this amazing stuff, yet no trade off weakness.

So I want to know what is she weak at? and against?

Edit: Don't Forget! she is resourceless to!

67 Comments

Enosetc8 votes

she's weak to being the subject of close to 35% of this entire board's season-long whining backed with shitty arguments such as "here are this champion's strengths. disregard their weaknesses"

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

What are her weaknesses? THAT IS THE QUESTION I ASKED yet you cant even awnser that simingly simple question LMFAO

Verxint7 votes

Roots and silences Low HP regen easily snowballed on has to be aggressive forced to push lane to trade can't freeze when behind squishy (yes even with her shield. Learn to time abilities properly) 0 ranged presence can't 1v1 hard duelists (jax olaf yi) unless fed can't use Q for passive procs if used to gapclose

Now here comes the "none of that counts because I don't understand how to exploit it"

Enosetc3 votes

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Now here comes the "none of that counts because I don't understand how to exploit it"

this is why you shouldn't waste time with the qqers who make these threads

it's never them and it's 100% the champion

Verxint2 votes

The reply is usually something like "I rooted her one time and she didn't die instantly therefore it doesn't work"

Enosetc2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Little Mac is OP,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vw63W6Fm,comment-id=00000001000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-27T18:12:48.438+0000)

The reply is usually something like "I rooted her one time and she didn't die instantly therefore it doesn't work"

funny thing is that the op's replies to other posters are full of this logic

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

Roots and silences

you cant read apperently, CCing doesnt count as an inherent weakness. CC counters every one and thus cant be used in strength trade off argument.

Low HP regen

item 3074 one of the first items rushed, taking that off the weakness list pretty easily

easily snowballed on

LMFAO, yes if you play one of the other insanely strong champs like Darius, so basicly this argument is, dont play any champ but 1 of the few insanely stong top laners.

forced to push lane to trade

Not always this depends on the skill of the riven and the opponent, and this goes for almost any champion that wants to trade in top lane, if you want to poke them odds are u r pushing the lane.

has to be aggressive

Um yea!? just about every one has to be aggressive if you want to get a kill, sooo? what is your point? and how is that even a weakness? lol

can't freeze when behind

LOL, so if you managge to get ahead of riven she wont be able to freeze. thats a big if. and its not true at all, ive seen plently of rivens freeze lanes when behind, this comes down to who the riven is playing agianst, and the skill lvl of the riven.

squishy (yes even with her shield. Learn to time abilities properly)

item 3074 item 3071 pretty much takes the squishy right out of her, + her shield on a what 5 sec cd? So im supposed to bait out rivens shield? well if you assume the 2 are on equal skill lvl then the opponent wont be able to bait out rivens shield all the time, and odds are she is casting her shield in a retreating direction so there is little to no follow up after the shield wheres off.

BattleOxe1 votes

Well, when exactly she gets hydra? 12-13 mins if not fed? What happens untill then

She is easy to snowball on. If she gets behind, she's useless

True that everyone has to be agressive in order to get kill. But here's a difference. If you stay at equal sills/farm with her, it's almost certain you outscale her

And you think hydra and BC solve the squishiness problem? Try focusing her. If focused right, she will die in first 3 seconds

Verxint2 votes

Who cares more about being CCd, Riven or Nautilus? Yi or Alistar? Zed or Mundo? CC counters champs that rely on mobility. Roots also counter riven because they typically last the longest and deny her steroid.

Only Riven is allowed to buy items, nobody else. Lifesteal is only available to her. Furthermore, you can't but HP regen against her early and any sustain abilities don't work.

If a riven messes up a trade, she has nothing to fall back on. If she continues to lose trades, she gets worse behind. Pretty much every top lane can dumpster an underfed riven

Her abilities are melee and do AoE damage. She's forced to push to trade or fight back.

"Everyone has to be aggressive to get a kill so what's your point?" oh boy the bronze is polished here.

Maybe this will help. If you pick Malphite top, you don't have to get ahead to be relevant. Therefore you can play passive. Riven has to snowball. If she doesnt, she loses relevance and can only make flash cheese plays. Therefore, Riven has to be aggressive in lane or its a waste of a pick.

When you combine having to be aggressive with having to push the lane with have low HP regen and no sustain, what do you get? If you can answer this you might get silver.

Can't freeze when behind is a fact. She has no ranged presence in lane and if she uses Q to cs she will push at least somewhat, not to mention putting one of her main spells on CD.

Confirmed, 400 HP makes you tanky. You can now survive everything with 0 effort because you have 400 flat HP. Nevermind, that doesn't work that way. You're just an idiot.

Also Rivens shield is about half her mobility, she will have to use it to reposition if she wants to stick targets. Seriously it lasts one second, just stop wasting CDS on it.

FacerollKatarina2 votes

He means riven has to be aggressive to be relevant, Kills aren't everything lol

WinBoat1 votes

Downvoted cause you're bad. It's simple as that. You're a baddie, we all know it, therefore downvoting you.

She can be CCed, I don't care if every other champion can be CCed too, but that's a weakness, and stops Riven.

She is weak against almost ALL TANKS AND JUGGERNAUTS literally. Don't tell me she don't have counters cause smart players, and good players know she has plenty. Darius, Fiora, Reneketon are just some examples seen at worlds that have been known to destroy her. She gets wrecked by some ranged champs too.

Get over yourself kid.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

lol, when did i ever say she didn't have counters? Its sad the lack of ability of reading these days.

FacerollKatarina2 votes

If she has counters then why in the hell are you whining about her?!? Go play her counters then lol

Rivvy8 votes

"CC isn't a good enough argument because everyone is countered by CC. So disregard that as a counter, because it is, and it hurts my already shitty argument."

Yvaelle2 votes

Her weakness is that her blade is broken - you should have seen her when her blade was whole! :)

But actually, Riven is incredibly strong in early lane - she falls off hard in late game if she isn't already fed - so I know it's boring - but the way to counter Riven is... don't feed her early game.

She needs to convert an early strength into a gold lead, dominate the map up with her gold lead + Rivenness, then win before she has a full buy. If she doesn't have that early gold lead, she can't dominate the map, she doesn't hit full buy faster than others - and once she's fully bought out she's weaker than ~most other champs in late game. She's a quintessential snowball - don't be her hill.

DeloricVI2 votes

This is an argument I hear from people who don't understand a lot of things about this game. First off, most people that think Riven is broken think that the way to win the game is kills, cs is nice but not necessary if you have enough kills to make up for it, and don't understand how to play safe.

All you have to do to beat riven is not fight her. Counter-intuitive, I know, but think about it: if you engage, you lose. If you trade, you lose. But riven sacrifices a lot of you force her to farm with her abilities. All you have to do is stand back and punish her for farming, preferably while not jumping out into the open and being an idiot. Here are some champions that should be able to deal with Riven fairly well:

Chogath

His knockup can zone her out of CS, by making her stand back and wait to avoid getting knocked up and taking damage. His silence can actually help you trade with Riven because her mobility, shield, and stun all become useless if she tries to go in on you. When you see her jumping at you, silence her and punish her with your spikes, or use it to land your q, if you're lucky.

Garen

His silence is on a pretty short cooldown and is good harass when Riven comes in for CS. You do damage, and nullify her abilities. Very useful for keeping her at bay. Your sustain and abilities can also make the laning phase hard, as out trading a Garen, if the Garen is playing correctly, can be worthless with his health regen passive.

Ryze

Has the tendency to be tanky and have lots of damage, and he has a root. Slap this thing on Riven, and she becomes mostly worthless. When you see her charging in to dive you, slap her with the Rune Prison, and out trade her. You also have a range advantage. She can dive over your back line, but after that, it's all in. She now draws minion aggro, and can't run too far before you can possibly out trade her. Just stay back far enough to be safe, and she will have nothing to say to you.

Teemo

Annoying as hell, and his blind makes Riven mains want to die inside. Not to mention, his poison can be applied from a safe distance. As well, punish Riven for trying to jump on you by making sure there is ALWAYS a mushroom in between you and her, so that she can't jump to you without taking a bunch of damage, eating a slow, burning her escape, and generally getting out-traded, when you consider that you should have your blind on standby until you have established dominance in lane, after which you can deny her farm with it until she's so frustrated, she'll dive you or afk.

Vladimir

Has ungodly sustain, and an escape that is almost as much bullshit as Fizz's Playful/Trickster. Whenever Riven tries to trade, just pool when you see her jumping for you, and then lifesteal off minions. You have range on her, so stand back, keep yourself healed up, and if you can without dying, poke her when she farms. If you take away her kills, she has to farm. If she can't do that, you win. She becomes totally weak and useless.

Overall, it seems you have a mindset problem about Riven; from how you talk about her, you seem to be thinking only of how to kill her; you don't want to try and do that. You just want to push her out of lane, mess up her farm, and most importantly DON'T DIE. ABOVE ALL ELSE, DO NOT DIE TO RIVEN. That means standing back and being annoying as hell. Most people have problems because they push the wave whenever they farm, and it makes them susceptible to jungle ganks. Next time you see a riven, try to stay as far away from her as possible and only farm. If your jungler wants to kill her, save your cooldowns and lock her down, make sure she dies. Also make sure the minions are pushing towards you if you're going to try to kill riven with a gank. Until late game, never try to kill a riven without help. She excells at 1 v 1's, and you should try to avoid this at all costs unless she is so weak from lack of kills and farm that she can't hurt you.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

What do you want to bet the OP is going to claim that "counter-picking" isn't a weakness and that no other champions can take advantage of the same weaknesses?

DeloricVI1 votes

Oh, I hope they do so I can quote the last block of text. I love proving people wrong when they really deserve it, and if the OP did that... they'd really deserve it, lol.

ProfDrDeath1 votes

I'd really leave Vlad out of that list. He's too weak early to keep up with her, and statistically one of her most winning match-ups - in all her top lane match-ups, she's only wins more often against Darius, Yorick and Ekko.

http://champion.gg/champion/Riven/Top

DeloricVI1 votes

I was mainly taking hypotheticals. The only champion I listed that I actually played is Teemo, honestly, but I do know how other mechanics present in these champions interact with Riven... mostly. I just figured, in a situation where you need to play safe, Vlad is your guy. You build health, have a big escape, and you have such ridicuouls sustain, he should be a shoo-in, I would think.

Apparently not, LOL.

Enosetc2 votes

honestly, riot should start considering these posts to be spam

op doesn't want to actually discuss the shortcomings of the champion in question, he just wants people to say that she's overpowered and will pull out every fallacy to attempt to do so

Mr Broken Wings2 votes

The joke gets old. Ourdays nearly everything counters her in lane because they gutted her q in early stages of the games ( 10 base damage boyz). Complaining about riven at this point is just a bad joke that gets on peoples nerves. The funny thing, riot even listens to you guys and nerfed her ult cd, completly overkill again, dead champion anyway already. ( riot probably thought because huni got camped 3 games as riven or snowballed with his team with her she would be slightly viable, protipp: she isnt ) 0-10 in competetive semi finals, overall shitty winrate till you have 130+ games on her? LOL LETS NERF HER ULT CD. As a guy who played her for a pretty damn long time I can tell you that it simply isnt worth anymore to play her, she got akalied because of the permanent hate, there is litterally no reason to pick her anymore except you want to handycap yourself / or enjoy the champion a lot and want to play her no matter what. Since the movementspeed and r misslespeed nerfs its just kicking a dead corpse on the floor everytime riot nerfs her again. You could play 150 games and learn her or you play 20 games with a mechanically non challenging champion and have a higher winrate. There is a reason in higher elo 99% of the riven only players stopped playing her and moved to easier and more rewarding champions.

MegaManYYZ1 votes

She only has: Strong Damage, High Burst, high sustained damage, High survivability/sustain, stong mid game and strong late game IF she's feed. She is an extremely snowball reliant champion.

kJs1 votes

Wouldn't that make her feast or famine?

MegaManYYZ1 votes

yes

kJs1 votes

If she's feast or famine that's basically being broken.

RogueWill1 votes

If you play safe against her on lane she becomes useless and that's about it.... You either shut it down early or you avoid feeding her and she should be manageable.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

um free farming for 20+ mins is not useless at all. ANg gank her, oh like just about any ohter top laners weakness....still not seeing a single point at which she is weak at for a trade off of how much power she has.

RogueWill1 votes

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um free farming for 20+ mins is not useless at all. ANg gank her, oh like just about any ohter top laners weakness....still not seeing a single point at which she is weak at for a trade off of how much power she has.

I never said free farming...I said safe, there is a difference. You play to her like you play againstPantheon

alasarcher1 votes

She is weak against armor. I never lost game vs Riven when i played Shen, Malphite, Rammus vs her. She can also be countered by Teemo, Irelia ofc, Volibear, Ryze, Brolaf, Jax,Mantheon,

Now Rivens biggest strength is opponents mindset. People think she is OP, so either they are too affraid of her to do anything , or cuz of how popular she is they do stupid trades with her and lose ofc.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

And she rushes item 3074 to tkae care of that HP reg and sustain, and a core item is item 3071 item 3035 basicly ignoring armor. So still not a good enough weakness for all the strengths she has

alasarcher2 votes

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And she rushes item 3074 to tkae care of that HP reg and sustain, and a core item is item 3071 item 3035 basicly ignoring armor. So still not a good enough weakness for all the strengths she has

She cant RUSH it , try to farm as Riven with Malphite as opponent. Riven is useless if she doesnt get kills. She doesnt have those items early. And if you are stupid enough not to end game before she gets items... Well you deserve that.

One simple rule: If you are not skilled enough to beat Riven- you are not skilled enoough to play TOP or MID lane.

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

lol, i can easily farm as riven vs malph, oh he cast a spell on me SHIELD watch his mana deplete while i continue farming and shielding his pitiful damage cause he started with flask.

Riven does not need kills to get items quickly, and all she needs is 1 or 2 and she can start snowballing very quickly.

alasarcher2 votes

{quoted}

lol, i can easily farm as riven vs malph, oh he cast a spell on me SHIELD watch his mana deplete while i continue farming and shielding his pitiful damage cause he started with flask.

Riven does not need kills to get items quickly, and all she needs is 1 or 2 and she can start snowballing very quickly.

When u play vs Riven as malp u max E and W not Q. Slowing her attack speed , rushing Frozen Heart and SUnfire cape destroys her. U probably played vs some silver or low gold crap malphite.

rG Thundrag1 votes

her weakness is having bad base stats and sustain with notoriously garbage hp regen.

But honestly just pick any reliable bruiser and build either a item 3047 or item 1031 you should be fine

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

And she rushes item 3074 to tkae care of that HP reg and sustain, and a core item is item 3071 item 3035 basicly ignoring armor. So still not a good enough weakness for all the strengths she has

Verxint3 votes

Only riven is allowed to buy items. nobody else can.

BattleOxe1 votes

And she can buy them at the start of the game too

Purple Death1 votes

Weaknesses: Not tanky unless you biuld tank, she gets destroyed if focused upon, if she gets behind you are basically useless and are forced to keep trying to make plays and when your so far being like 0-4 thats just 1v1ing anyone. She is melee. If you have armor 100+ she does a LOT less damage. Please don't come onto the boards because you lost to a 17-7 riven in a normal. Ya thats right I looked at your history ^.^

Romans VI XXIII1 votes

lol ohhh no u looked at my history, well 1. i didnt face her since you think you know everything. 2. that game had nothing to do with this, its a simple question, what is she weak to. and so far no one can list anything but CC. as your arguement is pretty weak as well cause items easily make up for the HP reg and the "squishy" weakness.

Purple Death1 votes

{quoted}

lol ohhh no u looked at my history, well 1. i didnt face her since you think you know everything. 2. that game had nothing to do with this, its a simple question, what is she weak to. and so far no one can list anything but CC. as your arguement is pretty weak as well cause items easily make up for the HP reg and the "squishy" weakness.

Lmao What do you biuld on her full tank? She biulds mostly all ad with no defensive items ussually except a ga at the end of the biuld.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Her biggest weakness is that all her players are massive weebs with Waifu pillows.

ReZisT Lust1 votes

You know, me & my 4 swords Yasuo have no waifu pillows.... yet I may get one at comikaze on haloween BUT until then you sir or madame are incorrect.

3tyson1 votes

Teemo

Almost every champ is weak to cc

Lamarson1 votes

Maokai is really good into riven. Kind of feeds off her kit and abuses her short comings. Most people on here are saying she is weak in the HP reg. department/sustain and that she cant handle cc. well for maokai, when shes goes in on you to trade she basically procs maos passive with her q. all you have to do is w-q auto and what was an even trade is now a won trade for mao because she procced your passive for you. rinse and repeat/buy armor-won lane.

biobirbbyy1 votes

She doesnt have a great early game imo. If you do make mistakes though, she will win the whole game. She snowballs amazingly, but its hard for her to get the first kill. Just play an ranged like Kennen, Olaf, etc.

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

Reminder that CC does not counter everyone equally and that it's a really bad argument.

Has anyone ever told you "just CC Tahm/Alistar/Braum"?

Meep Man1 votes

CC is her counter. Unlike other champions, she has to use her Q three times to get off its damage (and thats most of her damage source). if she gets CCd mid-way, her combo is interrupted.

That is your counter.

Did you want champions that counter her? Juggernauts

ReZisT Lust1 votes

if u walk behind her before her 3rd q it misses, and I guess Rengar counters her or I just got lucky. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1989774949/218243685?tab=overview

FooDang1 votes

She's squishy. 1 hard CC and focus fire and she gets blown out like some fat kid's socks.

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