Why is Manamune so damn inefficient compared to Archangel's?

Cherysse·Jul 13, 2016·1 votes·447 views

15% mana returned, 4 mana per charge, also no longer grants the passive mana overtime 25% mana returned, gains 34% more AP compared to base, 8 mana per charge 15% mana returned (unchanged), 4 mana per charge (unchanged), 0% AD gain compared to base

**It is also worth telling that it takes too much time to load, while might turn into in less than 4 minutes with some effort, while turns into at least 15 minutes later (or more). ** My only problem with is that it takes too much time to load, and attacking to charge it means nothing, either make the passive charge have less cooldown or make it gain 5-6 mana per cast-attack, it takes too much time for this item to reach it's power spike even when I find myself spamming powers at the air just to get it done quickly.

15 Comments

EedatJul 13, 20162 votes

AD is always more expensive than AP

RalanrJul 13, 20161 votes

....what AD item is more expensive than deathcap?

EedatJul 13, 20161 votes

Are you joking?

item 3089 - 3800g - 162 AP by itself. +35% bonus AP from all other sources

item 3072 - 3600g - 75 AD

AD is more than double the cost

RalanrJul 13, 20161 votes

Can you explain in detail?

EedatJul 13, 20161 votes

I just did

item 3089 - 23g per AP

item 3072 - 48g per AD

AbyssphereJul 13, 20161 votes

I mean you can't really compare those items considering Bloodthirster has so much of its value in its lifesteal and passive shield. I think the best AD vs AP comparison is pretty simply Amp Tome vs Long Sword.

EedatJul 13, 20161 votes

I mean you can't really compare those items considering Bloodthirster has so much of its value in its lifesteal and passive shield

And Rabadon's has no value in the +35% AP stat? What?

AbyssphereJul 13, 20161 votes

Of course it does. You've already partly factored that in. Point is that you're comparing an item that gives one stat (AP) with an item that gives two stats and a unique passive. Assuming 35% AP on other items is equal to 20% LS and a unique passive is stupid. You have no way to know if they're equal in value. If you did Deathcap versus Infinity Edge it's be slightly better but you're still just getting that the damage amp those items have are equal in value.

As I said it's best to just use the basic components. Amp Tome is just AP, Long Sword is just AD. Why complicate things with completed items with passives/other stats?

OleandervineJul 13, 20161 votes

Plus, the idea is that you're attacking more often than casting spells.

CherysseJul 13, 20161 votes

yeah, and still takes a shit lot of a time to charge, and in practice we know it doesn't work that way because that is rito assuming you will be in lane fighting always instead of roaming or searching for an ambush.... it's BS

OleandervineJul 13, 20162 votes

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yeah, and still takes a shit lot of a time to charge, and in practice we know it doesn't work that way because that is rito assuming you will be in lane fighting always instead of roaming or searching for an ambush.... it's BS

Here's something - why don't you stay in your lane and farm it up if you buy the item instead of roam in search of an ambush? You really can't complain about an item being bad if you don't give it the proper setting to flourish in. If you know you're going to be roaming, don't take Manamune if you know you can't charge it without farming.

67chromeJul 13, 20161 votes

Why is Manamune so damn inefficient compared to Archangel's?

Probably because Seraph's Embrace is so lackluster compared to Muramana.

AptestJul 13, 20161 votes

you should blame the 1 adc that abuses every item

CherysseJul 13, 20161 votes

yeah fuck him, thats why we can't have nice things

GamerThinkJul 13, 20161 votes

I don't understand what you mean by "gains 34% more AP compared to base" and " 0% AD gain compared to base".

Anyways, Archangel's staff costs 30% more than Manamune. This in turn means you get a power spike with Manamune way before the Archangel's. And usually, as someone else said, AAs are more frequent than spells (with some exception: try it on Singed 's Q).