http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/jov5z/discuss_tsm_vs_fnaticmsi_2nd_semi/
back in season 1, tsm played jax carry botlane against urgot
Jax won the game, and they had no problem about pushing. The real reason about ADC dominating the game is that their early game got retarded since s1, if you play jax bot now, you will have 3 cs while the enemy adc will have 30
kJs2 votesThe strategies and champions have been refined much clearer than they were in s1. Back in season one no one cared about a 'meta' you played whatever was the strongest in which ever lane. I don't think people grouped champions into top, mid, or jungle. I don't think you can apply the same strategies now because it simply won't work with the meta against a competent team and the champions you pit Jax against are champions he simply can't compete with in a duo lane.
I'm sure it will have some success rate in Solo/DuoQ with the tendency for teams to be disorganised.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votesThe strategies and champions have been refined much clearer than they were in s1. Back in season one no one cared about a 'meta' you played whatever was the strongest in which ever lane. I don't think people grouped champions into top, mid, or jungle. I don't think you can apply the same strategies now because it simply won't work with the meta against a competent team and the champions you pit Jax against are champions he simply can't compete with in a duo lane.
I'm sure it will have some success rate in Solo/DuoQ with the tendency for teams to be disorganised.
are you blind? did you watch dreamhack 2011? THERE WAS ALREADY A META, did you watch what they played in game 1/2? caitlyn/ali(who was op) cait/ali urgot/soraka tristana/janna,
dreamhack: only ashe/vayne/cait picked
Critmaster Garen2 votescouldnt season 1 jax dodge turret shots?
also splitpushing is still a thing, but doesnt always work.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vv1EaEa8,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-08-13T13:53:28.405+0000)
couldnt season 1 jax dodge turret shots?
also splitpushing is still a thing, but doesnt always work.
no, this game was in august 2011, phantom dancer no longer gave dodge, and dodge couldn't dodge turret shots Also, there was ANNIE and malz in the opposed team to give you an idea how pushing was difficult if jax wanted to push
they still won
Critmaster Garen1 votesno, this game was in august 2011, phantom dancer no longer gave dodge, and dodge couldn't dodge turret shots Also, there was ANNIE and malz in the opposed team to give you an idea how pushing was difficult if jax wanted to push
they still won
like i said. splitpushing is still a thing. with proper lane management if you know how to start a slow push into the enemy direction, you can pick a yi with teleport and take a turret before the opponent can react.
but those are often nieche scenarios. ranged adc are all around the strongest when it comes to sieging turrets, taking objectives like nash and drake, and the safest at dealing large amounts of champion damage. thats also whats wrong with the class imo. theyre too strong at everything instead of having a clear nieche.
however youre comparing the game today with the game 4 years ago. it changed a lot. and i mean a LOT. its simply not the same game anymore and the strategies that used to work dont necessarily work now.
not to mention, bruisers and jax in particular have been nerfed a lot compared to the state of the game today. lategame jax was almost unstoppable at the time.
i remember fondly being able to tank 5 people with a full build malphite for half a minute. thats not exaggerated. can you even imagine that? today you get blown up in 2 seconds even with the tankiest build by focus fire of that many champions. thats how much the game changed.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vv1EaEa8,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-08-13T14:03:47.857+0000)
like i said. splitpushing is still a thing. with proper lane management if you know how to start a slow push into the enemy direction, you can pick a yi with teleport and take a turret before the opponent can react.
but those are often nieche scenarios. ranged adc are all around the strongest when it comes to sieging turrets, taking objectives like nash and drake, and the safest at dealing large amounts of champion damage. thats also whats wrong with the class imo. theyre too strong at everything instead of having a clear nieche.
however youre comparing the game today with the game 4 years ago. it changed a lot. and i mean a LOT. its simply not the same game anymore and the strategies that used to work dont necessarily work now.
not to mention, bruisers and jax in particular have been nerfed a lot compared to the state of the game today. lategame jax was almost unstoppable at the time.
i remember fondly being able to tank 5 people with a full build malphite for half a minute. thats not exaggerated. can you even imagine that? today you get blown up in 2 seconds even with the tankiest build by focus fire of that many champions. thats how much the game changed.
but yea, bruisers were nerfed, and adc early game got good, ashe used to suck until having 2 or 3 items, now ashe can manage to do damage at lvl 3/4. i hope riot will do something to give a niche to ADC because this is retarded
now did you hear me?i didn't say that you can't split push anymore, i said that you can just not lane against them any more. they will deny you so hard.
KaminoX1 votesfunny thing is i will Rape bot as adc yasuo and they'll be the ones without cs
Critmaster Garen1 votesfunny thing is i will Rape bot as adc yasuo and they'll be the ones without cs
winning bot against adc isnt the issue. the problem is erven if you win early on, the enemy team will still be stronger with an adc by midgame, than you with your fed yasuo.
because you will really have trouble taking turrets with only a melee adc. the problem is, that against 1 champ with decent waveclear on the enemy tema, you will not get in range of that thing without taking turret shots. while a ranged adc can always manage to get a couple of hits in and retreat, while enemy clears minions.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votes[{quoted}](name=Critmaster Garen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Vv1EaEa8,comment-id=00020000,timestamp=2015-08-13T15:18:11.716+0000)
winning bot against adc isnt the issue. the problem is erven if you win early on, the enemy team will still be stronger with an adc by midgame, than you with your fed yasuo.
because you will really have trouble taking turrets with only melee champs.
so, riot needs to make it easier? buff 
or bring
or pick 
BastionKross1 votesLeague is a much different game now since it was in season 1. Champions, items, minions, towers, the jungle, and everything else has changed since then.
ADCs aren't required for pushing. They really are nice to have, but not required. They are required in a team comp because they can deal out high, sustained physical damage in a teamfight or to objectives, safely. While there are melee champs that can deal horrendous amounts of damage in teamfights and can make towers their bitches, they can't do those things while standing behind the relative safety of the frontline like a marksman. Having your DPS standing behind an 
is much better than having them face to face with three of the enemy team.
KONO RUBICK DA1 votes
League is a much different game now since it was in season 1. Champions, items, minions, towers, the jungle, and everything else has changed since then.
ADCs aren't required for pushing. They really are nice to have, but not required. They are required in a team comp because they can deal out high, sustained physical damage in a teamfight or to objectives, safely. While there are melee champs that can deal horrendous amounts of damage in teamfights and can make towers their bitches, they can't do those things while standing behind the relative safety of the frontline like a marksman. Having your DPS standing behind an
melee are specialy designed to dps without having to worry, tryndamere has 5 sec immortality, yasuo has windwall and 500 hp shield. But you are right, some melees don't have those abilities like Yi, and it just proved my point, THEY AREN'T REQUIERED TO PUSH