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The Karma Changes That Riot Didn't Realize They Made

PalPlays··2 votes·614 views

So, I see that you, Riot Games, are looking to buff Karma's Mantra'd E by increasing the shield amount. I agree that Defiance feels like one of the weaker options available under ANY circumstance, but buffing the shield amount will NOT make it feel any better. This is what needs to be done to make Defiance feel like it did in patches past.

Gathering Fire: Now grants half of the passive's reduction whenever Karma shields an ally champion.

Defiance Radius lowered to 500 from 600.

Back when Riotremoved the damage on her shield, it lost the synergy with her passive (which was the goal of the damage in the first place). Defiance used to be the main way that you initiated fights or helped to maintain momentum in the middle of one, but now Soulflare feels like the default initiation (due to just how much it lowers Mantra's CD. It can lower Mantra's CD by a maximum of 30 seconds). The change to her passive to lower Mantra's CD every time she shields someone would make Defiance feel worth it again. (Yes I know the ability's strong on its own)

I could count on one hand how many times I use Defiance in any given game now, and that should not be the case.

7 Comments

IxtaliKing1 votes

The reason they took the damage from Defiance is because they didn't want it to proc her passive. To compensate for this they increased her passive values, so it's highly unlikely they will let her reduce her mantra cd based on amount of allies shielded (especially not with those shield values). Sucks right? #BringBackShieldBomb2016

PalPlays1 votes

They should nerf the AoE so that it's harder to get all five people with it. Shielding four people only reduces the CD by 6 seconds...so it isn't THAT amazing of a buff (still pretty good though).

IxtaliKing2 votes

Or they could return her shieldbomb, move her current passive to mantra, give her a new passive and add some ally interaction to RW.

Slack King1 votes

That would be broken, mantra shield already gives a massive team wide speed buff for everyone in the area, it can mitigate a massive amount of damage.

I mainly play Karma mid, but it can already shield the first person upwards of 700, let alone everyone else in the area for half.

Combined with the fact with max cdr your shield is up every 4.4 seconds. A standard Q can still shave off from 3-12 seconds depending on how many you hit, tether procs your passive multiple times as well. Mix that with as many autos as you can and its back up very quickly.

PalPlays1 votes

Well, consider that it actually USED to proc her passive for the full amount back when she had the shield bomb. My change is actually worse than that, since it will reduce Mantra by a MAXIMUM of 7.5 seconds (unlike a Mantra Q maximum of 15 seconds for the FIRST HIT).

Unstoppable Monk3 votes

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That would be broken, mantra shield already gives a massive team wide speed buff for everyone in the area, it can mitigate a massive amount of damage.

I mainly play Karma mid, but it can already shield the first person upwards of 700, let alone everyone else in the area for half.

Combined with the fact with max cdr your shield is up every 4.4 seconds. A standard Q can still shave off from 3-12 seconds depending on how many you hit, tether procs your passive multiple times as well. Mix that with as many autos as you can and its back up very quickly.

It's almost as if Karma is a buff away from being completely BUSTED or something.

PalPlays1 votes

She is pretty meta dependent in my experience (with her mid, sup, top, AND Jungle). She's great in a solo lane against assassins as long as you keep the Renewal option open. As a support though, she kinda fails against anyone with mobility and burst. Her shield can only do so much in a support role, and the leash does literally nothing against someone who only needs 2 seconds to kill your carry (not you). She was and is fantastic when it comes to building a teamfight or siege comp and is an excellent counter to a juggernaut filled metagame.

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