Fiora too strong vs Yasuo

JhomasTefferson·Jun 19, 2016·3 votes·2,483 views

So I was just playing yas against Fiora...

Her lunge goes thru my tornado. Not only can she use riposte to block the tornado, but she can dash to dodge the tornado, and she can use the dash to block the tornado. How am I supposed to ever win if she has 3 different ways to dodge my only form of cc, which I also need to use my ult? Like, I think she should be able to dodge the tornado with riposte and lunge, but I don't think that the dash on lunge should go thru the tornado.

edit: so should yasuo's dash go through skill shots like fiora's? what about fizz's q, or xin's e, or vayne's tumble?

57 Comments

Weiner the PoohJun 19, 20169 votes

Good, he's fucked over mids for so long someone ought to fuck him over.

OleandervineJun 19, 20168 votes

So many champions have so many ways to invalidate other champions. Yasuo's wall alone invalidates almost every champion with a skill shot, so you don't get to complain when there's a champion that can spank you. Plus, he's squishy and he doesn't have a good kit to face brawlers, so going top lane with Yasuo is like volunteering for the Hunger Games.

MarshbouyJun 19, 20161 votes

RIP Velkoz

JhomasTeffersonJun 19, 20161 votes

R u kidding? He can do well against most brawlers.

and the wall is one skill that invalidates ranged champions... who can always bait it and or walk around it. You can't bait fioras q or w cuz theyre on such low cooldowns. If it had a bigger cooldown (yas' windwall is 18 seconds at max rank) it would be ok. But it's literally always up? How can I bait it even?

Mecha MaIphiteJun 19, 20161 votes

Darius Gangplank Hecarim Irelia Jax Nasus Pantheon Renekton MonkeyKing XinZhao all eat yasuo. There are probably still more that I missed.

TTK DreadnoughtJun 20, 20161 votes

Illaoi

If you have an issue with your CD, build an Essence Reaver. but Generally, Yasuo is just bad top lane.

Ruin LanceJun 20, 20161 votes

illaoi gets fucked by yasuo. he can easily dodge all of her Q's and with a PD and lifesteal he can duel her in her ultimate

TTK DreadnoughtJun 20, 20161 votes

Maybe the illaoi you play against and the yasuos I play against just suck because I don't have issues with yasuo.

Ruin LanceJun 20, 20161 votes

considering you are bronze i am going to say it's bad yasuos i doubt anyone is actually good with yasuo there

TTK DreadnoughtJun 20, 20161 votes

Show me a good platinum illaoi main (and I mean 100k mastery or more) versus your yasuo then.

And I may be bronze, but rank doesn't always matter. Did a 1v1 against a Riven main last week (Diamond 5) and first to 3 kills won. I went 3/0 then we screwed around and killed towers until our friends were finished with their game.

Ruin LanceJun 20, 20161 votes

uh good for you? that has nothing to do with yasuo being good against illaoi. and rank does matter but it's not a 100% indicator of mechanical skill though.

the whole reason i said what i did is because bronze players are generally not good at the game i hope you realize i'm not rank shaming.

TTK DreadnoughtJun 20, 20161 votes

While your intention wasn't to rank shame, it sounded like you assumed that all I ever play against are bronze players when I generally see silvers, golds and the occasional platinum and diamond players in addition to other bronze players. Every person may or may not be good or bad, even with their corresponding rank.

I can't look back into every game I've played, but I can't assume every yasuo I faced was bronze. Nevertheless was good or bad at yasuo or simply had a bad day or got outplayed.

You said illaoi got fucked by yasuo. I have no issues with him. Your 800k as yasuo more than likely drawfs most/nearly all illaoi in your same general ranking. While my 341k as illaoi is more than likely higher than most yasuos I play against in my own rankings.

And it brings me back to "Maybe the illaoi you play against and the yasuos I play against just suck because I don't have issues with yasuo."

If a darius main in platinum plays illaoi versus your yasuo and you destroy him. Yes, you destroyed him, but it wasn't an illaoi of equal skill.

I guess this discussion may not be very constructive because our experiances with our specific champions we have mastered in question and our rankings/meta differ too much for our experiences

AlwaysByMySideJun 20, 20163 votes

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all eat yasuo. There are probably still more that I missed.

Darius yeah, but a good Yasuo can outplay Darius. GP not really. Hecarim don't know, Irelia yes. Jax not really to be honest. Jax will obviously beat Yas late game, but his laning phase is pretty weak and Yas can easily avoid Jax's E with his own. Nasus? Lol no, Nasus is too immobile, squishy, and fat to beat Yas in lane, and wither doesn't effect Yas as much as it does, say, Tryndamere. Obviously Nasus will outscale Yas in a duel, but in lane Yas has all the tools necessary to bully him. Pantheon beats just about everyone in lane, but he gets outscaled. The same to a lesser extent with Renekton, with Ren scaling better than Panth but not being as dominant in lane. Wukong vs. Yas in lane is a skill match-up, but Wukong outscales Yas so it's better for Wu overall. Xin idk, but Xin is shit top lane so I kind of doubt it.

Ruin LanceJun 20, 20161 votes

ok just saying dude nasus is total fucking cancer to fight as yasuo. if the nasus you're fighting has a functioning brain then he will win because all he has to do is get some armor and some stacks and yasuo is totally fucked.

wukong also has the edge over yasuo at all stages of the game.

hecarim can beat yasuo if yasuo does not get a lead

yasuo can beat pantheon if he plays aggressively enough and doesn't screw up

i've played these matchups quite a bit so this is just my experience fighting them

Swiftstrike4Jun 20, 20161 votes

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Darius yeah, but a good Yasuo can outplay Darius. GP not really. Hecarim don't know, Irelia yes. Jax not really to be honest. Jax will obviously beat Yas late game, but his laning phase is pretty weak and Yas can easily avoid Jax's E with his own. Nasus? Lol no, Nasus is too immobile, squishy, and fat to beat Yas in lane, and wither doesn't effect Yas as much as it does, say, Tryndamere. Obviously Nasus will outscale Yas in a duel, but in lane Yas has all the tools necessary to bully him. Pantheon beats just about everyone in lane, but he gets outscaled. The same to a lesser extent with Renekton, with Ren scaling better than Panth but not being as dominant in lane. Wukong vs. Yas in lane is a skill match-up, but Wukong outscales Yas so it's better for Wu overall. Xin idk, but Xin is shit top lane so I kind of doubt it.

Nasus dumpsters Yasuo if he stacks. Wither slows him passing through minions to escape. I love laning against Yasuo's top because I keep building tank and they keep building damage.

LadyRenlyJun 20, 20162 votes

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R u kidding? He can do well against most brawlers.

and the wall is one skill that invalidates ranged champions... who can always bait it and or walk around it. You can't bait fioras q or w cuz theyre on such low cooldowns. If it had a bigger cooldown (yas' windwall is 18 seconds at max rank) it would be ok. But it's literally always up? How can I bait it even?

your q has a much lower cooldown than her W...

JhomasTeffersonJun 20, 20161 votes

my q doesn't let me dodge cc based skillshots though, does it?

EndlessSorcererJun 20, 20161 votes

my q doesn't let me dodge cc based skillshots though, does it?

No, that's why you have Yasuo's E.

And Yasuo's Windwall outright blocks whatever skillshot you were incapable of dodging.

And if you manage to fail both of those, you have a shield to mitigate the damage it deals.

You did not have the best attempt at an argument.

JhomasTeffersonJun 20, 20161 votes

My e doesn't go through cc like her q does though. I just want that changed. the dash on her q shouldn't go thru the tornado.

DrewskeyJun 19, 20164 votes

why the heck are you going top yasuo

JhomasTeffersonJun 19, 20161 votes

Ive always done it. I play him mid and jg too. Top is usually a kinda farm heavy lane. The champs that play it farm a lot and try not to need too much help from the rest of the team, maybe come down every so often for drag, but mainly just try to farm. Yas is a cs machine.

RalanrJun 19, 20161 votes

I've always seen Mid as a farm heavy lane compared to top.

At least when it's two mages.

RalanrJun 19, 20164 votes

Pretty sure she counters him for a reason.

JhomasTeffersonJun 19, 20162 votes

Counter shouldn't mean "remove all opportunity you have to win lane if the person playing the counter has half a brain."

EndlessSorcererJun 19, 20167 votes

Considering how many squishy skillshot-oriented champions Yasuo himself does that too, that isn't really a good argument.

JhomasTeffersonJun 19, 20162 votes

Yasuo doesn't do that. If the person waits for him to windwall and then engage, they'll be fine. Just bait the windwall. Your argument is kinda bad.

RalanrJun 19, 20163 votes

Except Yasuo actually kinda wins straight out 1v1 against squishy targets.

JhomasTeffersonJun 20, 20162 votes

zed. lulu, fizz, vayne, annie, kalista... all squishies which do well against him

RalanrJun 20, 20162 votes

Now add Fiora to his list of counters.

Weiner the PoohJun 19, 20162 votes

Ok so just wait for her to Q(her main combat skill) then tornado, your argument is kinda bad.

JhomasTeffersonJun 20, 20162 votes

She still has her w then.

JhomasTeffersonJun 20, 20161 votes

you were saying?

Mr Broken WingsJun 19, 20163 votes

Counters exist. Nothing else to say, learn the matchups or dont play the champion, simple. You know how many games I had to feed against renekton as riven to not feed as hard anymore? A lot. Is it a designproblem of Renekton? No, I simply wanted to play my champ no matter what and thats what you have to accept then.

JhomasTeffersonJun 19, 20161 votes

You can't ban fiora every game, and you can't pick last every game either though.

Mr Broken WingsJun 19, 20162 votes

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You can't ban fiora every game, and you can't pick last every game either though.

What has this to do with anything that I said? If you firstpick Yasuo in a bruiserlane you basically beg your enemy to make your life a living hell. Fiora actually isnt even that bad at the moment compared to other champions if you dont suck dick at this game. Learn to play save or better then your opponent or feed your ass off, thats all there is to it.

JhomasTeffersonJun 19, 20161 votes

I was 4th pick.

EndlessSorcererJun 19, 20161 votes

It doesn't matter what pick you were; what matters is that you were picking without knowing your lane opponent.

JhomasTeffersonJun 20, 20161 votes

I knew my lane opponent. The only thing I didn't know was that she could dash thru my tornado. make an actual argument please.

AlwaysByMySideJun 20, 20161 votes

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I knew my lane opponent. The only thing I didn't know was that she could dash thru my tornado. make an actual argument please.

To be perfectly blunt I doubt that she can dash through your tornado. Gonna test this in a couple minutes.

JhomasTeffersonJun 20, 20161 votes

She can. Trust me. That's my only issue. I don't think she needs nerfs per se... just this dash shouldn't go thru it. That's the only thing I want changed.

AlwaysByMySideJun 20, 20161 votes

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She can. Trust me. That's my only issue. I don't think she needs nerfs per se... just this dash shouldn't go thru it. That's the only thing I want changed.

I tested it.

No she can't.

EndlessSorcererJun 20, 20161 votes

Maybe Fiora parried mid-dash and they didn't notice it?

JhomasTeffersonJun 21, 20161 votes

No, because she then proceeded to cast w to block my autos once she landed.

Maximum ZileanJun 19, 20161 votes

Who DOESN'T counter top lane Yasuo?

Just bring him mid like any sane person would...

EndlessSorcererJun 19, 20161 votes

Gnar doesn't.

Windwall can block the boomerang/boulder from any direction, Yasuo can stick to mini-Gnar without getting kited to death and he can easily avoid mega-Gnar's telegraphed CC.

That's one of the few exceptions though.

AlwaysByMySideJun 19, 20162 votes

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Who DOESN'T counter top lane Yasuo?

Just bring him mid like any sane person would...

Why do you people continue to perpetuate the myth that top lane Yasuo is bad? I mean, he consistently out-performs mid lane Yasuo, despite his players being overall less experienced.

Yas lanes well versus ranged cancer top laners as well as immobile champs and tanks.