Kled or Camille?

Glîtchy·Apr 16, 2017·1 votes·4,357 views

I have enough IP for either one but I'd like to know who's less complicated than the other and who will be in meta once tanks get buffed.

11 Comments

MissingKayoApr 16, 20171 votes

Neither really. Both are complex, but Kled is a lot tankier so maybe him?

Silly NeekoApr 16, 20171 votes

Kled is based around Skarl, tbh Camille would be easier because Kled HAS to have skarl bar manipulation and be able to be able to dodge with the lowest movement speed (roughly 285? I think while the next one up is 325 or so normally). Kled does not get hp himself, Skarl gets the hp from the bonus hp from items.

Camille is much more straight forward, you hookshot in, stun, Q, E, Q, get out or continue the engage.

However if you play Gnar or Rumble often then Kled would be very similar.

Asayake 5150glowApr 16, 20171 votes

Kled is a lot stronger against tanks, Camille likes to rush Triforce which is really, really, bad against armor, and her true damage only scales well later into the game, where she has no trouble with tanks - however, Kled loves Cleaver which lets him deal with tanks much earlier on.

Camille's R isn't as strong against tanks, either, because it really shines when you can kill your enemy before the wall drops. Against a tank, they'll just tank you for 4 seconds, then walk away.

Kled is also naturally tankier, and some tanks won't be able to kill his unmounted form quickly enough, so you might even get a chance to remount.

GlîtchyApr 16, 20171 votes

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Kled is a lot stronger against tanks, Camille likes to rush Triforce which is really, really, bad against armor, and her true damage only scales well later into the game, where she has no trouble with tanks - however, Kled loves Cleaver which lets him deal with tanks much earlier on.

Camille's R isn't as strong against tanks, either, because it really shines when you can kill your enemy before the wall drops. Against a tank, they'll just tank you for 4 seconds, then walk away.

Kled is also naturally tankier, and some tanks won't be able to kill his unmounted form quickly enough, so you might even get a chance to remount.

How would I build them anyway?

Asayake 5150glowApr 16, 20171 votes

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How would I build them anyway?

Who?

Kled, I think you go Cleaver into a Hydra item (Rav or Titanic), depending whether or not you're getting bursted. With Kled's high AD ratios, Rav gives more damage, but Titanic should give more burst (active) and tankiness, but it really comes down to whether the lifesteal is helping more in a long fight + gives you chance to remount, or if the health is stopping you from being dismounted in the first place. Then I think you go tanky, but Bork seems decent against tanks, DD or BT seem decent as well, no idea if Youmuu's or other Lethality items are good.

With Camille, you usually go Triforce into Rav/Titanic (explained above) into tank. I've tried Lethality - Camille's burst just isn't fast enough to make use of the damage in teamfights, when Triforce+Titanic/Rav is already enough. Aka, it gives you more damage, but doesn't actually speed up the kill - they'll die about when the second Q hits either build. Bork is unnecessary, unless you find yourself splitting and need sustain and got a Titanic. I'm not sure how going Cleaver over Triforce against a tank would work, or even if it would be more effective.

GlîtchyApr 16, 20171 votes

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Who?

Kled, I think you go Cleaver into a Hydra item (Rav or Titanic), depending whether or not you're getting bursted. With Kled's high AD ratios, Rav gives more damage, but Titanic should give more burst (active) and tankiness, but it really comes down to whether the lifesteal is helping more in a long fight + gives you chance to remount, or if the health is stopping you from being dismounted in the first place. Then I think you go tanky, but Bork seems decent against tanks, DD or BT seem decent as well, no idea if Youmuu's or other Lethality items are good.

With Camille, you usually go Triforce into Rav/Titanic (explained above) into tank. I've tried Lethality - Camille's burst just isn't fast enough to make use of the damage in teamfights, when Triforce+Titanic/Rav is already enough. Aka, it gives you more damage, but doesn't actually speed up the kill - they'll die about when the second Q hits either build. Bork is unnecessary, unless you find yourself splitting and need sustain and got a Titanic. I'm not sure how going Cleaver over Triforce against a tank would work, or even if it would be more effective.

So I'm guessing Kled's just better overall

Asayake 5150glowApr 17, 20171 votes

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So I'm guessing Kled's just better overall

Basically, yeah.

GULAG 4 UApr 16, 20171 votes

Definitively aatrox. He is just so positive and generous. Model looks amazing, and with his revive, no one will dare to mess with you,

AnonagonApr 16, 20171 votes

Kled main here

Both champions are complicated, but in different ways. Camille is a lot more mechanically demanding while Kled is a test of awareness and judgement.

Camille is better at dealing tanks in-kit, with multiple built in ways to counter armor or health stacking, while Kled is entirely dependent on items to deal with tanks. If you get behind a tank in lane as Kled, you will stay behind. He has the advantage early levels, and he needs to establish a lead. Tank killing items like BoRK and Cleaver are less optimal items on Camille than they are on Kled, but they are still options.

Overall, Kled is in a much better spot than Camille is - all those nerfs have really caught up to her, and she seems to have a very inconsistent performance.

Asayake 5150glowApr 17, 20171 votes

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Kled main here

Both champions are complicated, but in different ways. Camille is a lot more mechanically demanding while Kled is a test of awareness and judgement.

Camille is better at dealing tanks in-kit, with multiple built in ways to counter armor or health stacking, while Kled is entirely dependent on items to deal with tanks. If you get behind a tank in lane as Kled, you will stay behind. He has the advantage early levels, and he needs to establish a lead. Tank killing items like BoRK and Cleaver are less optimal items on Camille than they are on Kled, but they are still options.

Overall, Kled is in a much better spot than Camille is - all those nerfs have really caught up to her, and she seems to have a very inconsistent performance.

I haven't played much Kled, but Camille's tank fighting is really, really, bad early game - a Chainvest back completely fucks her damage. Lategame, she destroys most of them (loses to juggernauts tho), but since the True damage on Q takes time to scale up, it's pretty worthless early game.

If you replace Triforce with Cleaver, I think your damage against not tanks will go down dramatically, and building them after a Titanic item makes you a little squishy, definitely squishier than Kled.

I think Kled vs tanks if you fall behind is basically, do they have the damage to kill you once you're dismounted? Aka, is it a Poppy, whose autos kinda hurt and has a low CD Q which hurts? Or is it Sion , whose Q cooldown is significant early levels and has really bad dps? Although early game minions will kill you with anyone. If they don't, then remounting should be easy, and once you've remounted...

LongHair FoxApr 17, 20171 votes

Camille is unlikely to get buffed. Her ult and kit is insane in pro play meaning that she basically has achieved azir status as the only toplaner (maybe besides maokai)