Riot, Do You Plan On Fixing Melee Vs Ranged Top?

U4fyn2vZzW··7 votes·1,180 views

It's honestly infuriating going a slow melee top like Darius and Olaf who isn't Riven or Irelia against the high quaility cancers such as Lissandra, Gnar and Azir.

Or will you continue to introduce new champions that will continue to fuck over brusiers and tanks alike? Oh wait CertanilyToxic just released his newest edition to the league Kalista.

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Drunk Rummate3 votes

this is just how the metagame worked itself out. riot didnt really do anything in particular to cause ranged champs to take over toplane.

think about it in terms of the meta:

Top lane is considered an "island." This is due largely in part to dragon location and the irrelevance of baron until much later in the game.

As a result, you must be a good duelist to compete in top lane, this generally includes winning your lane without help, or with minimal help. It also helps tremendously to have the mobility to split push, since you will likely be the player on your team who takes teleport.

So in order to be a strong duelist, you need gold. In order to get gold, you need to farm safely and/or push your opponent out of lane. Thus, top lane becomes inhabited by counterpicks and lane bullies with the requirement that they are able to split push or deny a split push safely.

This means that you can't pick champions that 'lose lane' in order to scale (ex: Nasus) because there is a high probability that you will be heavily denied gold by a big lane bully such as Azir who scales almost as well as you do. This also means you can't pick champions with obvious weaknesses (ex: Shyvana) or you risk being easily counterpicked.

Is it Riot's fault that some champions are worse in lane than others? You could say that, but if all champions were equally powerful in lane we would also lose a lot of the choices that are made in champion select and a lot of the unique feeling that a lot of champions give. We don't want them to homogenize picks so much that every champion is equally powerful in lane with the same spikes in power oriented completely through items.

TeemoJenkins2 votes

Shen loses lane, but wins games. In Silver and lower elo though, his utility is lost as there's no point in protecting an under fed carry.

Kitten of Evil1 votes

I had this exact experience earlier today. I won my lane against him easily as Heimer (took down his tower quickly), but I couldn't kill him, and his team won because their Vayne outdid our Kalista.

redniwediS1 votes

Gnar and Azir can be dealt with, they don't have large enough escapes to be safe at all times. It just takes a little smart play and good timing to take them down. Garen works quite well against Gnar, as his silence really helps, where as Nasus can completely ignore Azir after the first or second back.

Lissandra on the other hand... Unless you can bait out her ult without dieing and you have enough burst/cc to kill her before she escapes you'll just need to survive until she doesn't deal damage anymore. I personally recommend Vlad against her. I know he's not a melee, but let's be real here, you don't want to just survive lane and let her free farm.

TeemoJenkins1 votes

Personally: I ban Gnar as I think he's pretty tough in the top lane to beat, although as Garen I haven't had too tough a time with him. Darius and Olaf are really easy to counter and I wouldn't pick them top lane unless I was 4th and 5th pick and was taking them as a counter pick.

U4fyn2vZzW1 votes

The thing about Gnar is that he renders most traditonal tanky top laners useless.

Why pick Shen over Gnar? A champion who has more damage, more cc, better engage, better laning phase and kill potential in lane, better mobility.

TemplarKenway1 votes

Its Simple Dont pick Immobile Champions

SmokingPuffin1 votes

You can't expect the anti-melee bruisers like Darius Olaf Trundle to do well against kitey ranged champions. That's not what they're for.

On a similar note, you can't expect Lissandra to do well against long-ranged mages like Xerath Lux Viktor. That's not what she's for, either.

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