So seeing as Mordekaiser's ultimate steals stats, what if his opponent wins the 1v1?

Frontline Fury·May 29, 2019·2 votes·1,620 views

It seems only fair his opponent gains a portion of HIS stats if they defeat him in "his world". This both provides them a reward for defeating him against the odds, applies a risk to the Mordekaiser player and ulting the wrong opponent (so that it's not just an "ult this player and run away until the ult ends to buy your team time to fight 4v4") as well as adding to the badass factor of the duel to the death. BOTH TEAMS will feel very excited about the outcome of this duel, should there be a reward for both participants.

18 Comments

KazekibaMay 29, 20193 votes

Why should the enemy team get an advantage from his R cast? There's things like Bard's ult but otherwise, no the enemy team should not benefit from your own Ultimate. As awful an idea as this Morde rework is, that's an even worse one.

Morde is not a fair and honorable duelist. And I'm not sure why Riot changed their mind on "We wanted to give this to Fiora but she could just R the support and get a free win or take the most fed carry out of the fight for long enough for her team to win it." Yeah, morde still does that. Thats still not a good idea. "Killing the strongest champion gets you the most stats, thats why you wont just R the support every time!" Except in practice, that doesn't matter. Especially early game, when respawn timers are too short to care about the bonus stats you wont get from Supports. Remember Zed? How you literally last patch or the one before removed his bonus AD from killing the ADCs because it wasn't always the best decision to R the strongest target ...?

Again - Two ideas, both of which have been rejected or removed before - Why are they good ideas now?

Chembaron YamadaMay 29, 20191 votes

Because sometimes a tool is so powerful, that it seems fair to give the enemy an advantage if it is used, too.

Take Kindred's ultimate for example. And considering that Mordekaiser already steals stats during the ultimate, giving him an advantage at winning the fight, I actually don't think it is such a bad idea to reward the enemy if he wins the duel.

KazekibaMay 29, 20191 votes

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Because sometimes a tool is so powerful, that it seems fair to give the enemy an advantage if it is used, too.

Take Kindred's ultimate for example. And considering that Mordekaiser already steals stats during the ultimate, giving him an advantage at winning the fight, I actually don't think it is such a bad idea to reward the enemy if he wins the duel.

Kindred's ultimate, like the Bard example, isn't intended as a DRAWback, it's a mechanic that emphasizes not just skill but a neutral force. Mordekaiser is not a neutral force.

Also, a skilled kindred can mark a champion, towerdive, and R - They cannot die for a few seconds (but the tower can) so Kindred gets time to cook the Mark on her target before delivering the killing blow with her E execute or just the general damage aa+Q and/or an ally can get. Morde has no reason nor strategic design around "What if I gave 10% of my ms and tank stats to the enemy Vayne?" nor would it make any sense for it to do that.

Soraka's R doesn't effect enemy champions, Camille's allies are not pushed out of Hextech Ultimatum nor barred from entering/leaving it, Ekko's R doesnt rewind the damage dealt to any enemies.

Stars ShaperMay 29, 20192 votes

Does it mean that killing Yi during his ult will make his killer immune to slows too?

SaezioMay 29, 20191 votes

Does morde get stronger in his R world? Why does the opponent have the odds stacked against him?

CrazyMonkeyCZMay 29, 20192 votes

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Does morde get stronger in his R world? Why does the opponent have the odds stacked against him?

He gets some stats of target if he defeats the target in his R. Would be interesting to be able to turn it around and get his stats if he's defeated.

Frontline FuryMay 29, 20191 votes

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He gets some stats of target if he defeats the target in his R. Would be interesting to be able to turn it around and get his stats if he's defeated.

Adds incentive for duelists and hypermobile champions like Fiora , Kayn and Sylas to actually fight back rather than just run away through a wall Morde can't follow through.

KazekibaMay 29, 20191 votes

You cant run away. You get a 1000 radius circle youre trapped in.

Frontline FuryMay 30, 20191 votes

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You cant run away. You get a 1000 radius circle youre trapped in.

How to play against mordekaiser ult: stand near a wall. When mordekaiser ults you, jump over wall. If Mordekaiser flashes over wall, flash over wall. Problem solved.

SaezioMay 29, 20192 votes

I mean, does he get some bonus in the R to defeat the target? (I legit don't know)

Because it seems to me morde has 3 spells in the upside down while his opponent has 4.

FebosMay 29, 20191 votes

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I mean, does he get some bonus in the R to defeat the target?

He does. He steals 10% of every stat while in the Death Realm. If he wins within 7 seconds, he gets to keep those stats until the target respawns.

FebosMay 29, 20191 votes

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Would be interesting to be able to turn it around and get his stats if he's defeated.

No, it wouldn't. It wouldn't make thematic sense. Mordekaiser ensalves a defeated soul. Why should Soraka be able to gain Mordekaiser stats if the defeated in the Death Realm? Would she ensalve Mordekaiser too?

I know many people don't care about that, but it does matter.

Chembaron YamadaMay 29, 20192 votes

Thematic reasons only go so far, tho.

Does it make sense thematically that Ziggs' ult is not hurting his own teammates? No, but it would suck if it would. Does it make sense that Urgot is able to meatgrind something as big as Galio? No, but Gameplay has priority. Does it make sense that Vladimir can drain the blood from Blitzcrank/Orianna/Galio? Nope.

The list goes on. Gameplay oftenly has priority over thematic.

Sona PingMay 29, 20191 votes

"Does morde get stronger in his R world?" He does. He then keeps stats outside of his ult if he wins.

"Why does the opponent have the odds stacked against him?" Probably because "yeah but it's cool!".

SaezioMay 29, 20191 votes

So, morde gains stats the second he enters the upside down?

Because morde has 3 basic spells to use in the 1v1 while his opponent has an ultimate on top of those 3.

Sona PingMay 29, 20191 votes

Yeah, that's how it works. He gets the stats immediately after the cast.

DevourerOfHPMay 29, 20191 votes

I think its the same thing with illaoi If you are hit by her E you are gonna get punished either way But you can choose the punishment With mordekaiser it would feel Very shitty to be punished by your own ult

Tl'dr: it would feel bad to be punished by your own ult Mordekaiser

FebosMay 29, 20191 votes

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BOTH TEAMS will feel very excited about the outcome of this duel, should there be a reward for both participants.

No. You missed the idea behind the skill. His R isn't about winning a reward. The theme behind that ability is about enslaving a champion soul. Only Mordekaiser has that power. I wouldn't make sense, from a thematic standpoint, if his target gained that ability (enslavement) by defeating Morde.