FINALLY Riot nerfed Graves' MR and Armor gain

invisiblecat1·Sep 20, 2016·39 votes·1,837 views

Quickdraw (E) Armor and MR reduced to 5/8/11/14/17 from 10/15/20/25/30 You realize that a champion who was mean't to be an adc could get up to 120 BONUS Mr and Armor in just under a minute. It was really broken, it made it so Graves jungle would take no damage while clearing, and could still build most damage items and just WHY WHYYYY did this exist. He still gets a stupid amount of resistances for an adc, but yay like 1/2 the resists. And also they finally buffed Taliyah and Nunu yay again http://www.surrenderat20.net/2016/09/920-pbe-update.html#more

26 Comments

Swiftstrike4Sep 20, 201613 votes

About time. His true grit nonsense was pretty ridiculous for awhile.

IPromiseTomorrowSep 21, 20161 votes

9 months or so. Big while XD

MunchCrunchLunchSep 22, 20161 votes

nearly a year you mean

Only Play DariusSep 21, 20163 votes

Look at that. Another instance where Riot nerfs damage repeatedly, then ends up finally nerfing the actual problem but without undoing any damage nerfs. I just want my botlane Graves back.

AazzlanoSep 21, 20165 votes

Lol he still does WAY too much damage. His damage should be nerfed again.

Only Play DariusSep 21, 20162 votes

I feel like it only seems he does so much damage because he stays alive so long to pump it out, so this should help

VekknaSep 21, 20162 votes

Not really. He can sit in a river bush with just Warrior and delete a mid laner roaming to top with smite > q > aa > E aa > R, and it's extremely fast because of his auto reset.

It Hertz When IPSep 21, 20161 votes

Smite. Which all botlaners take. Yep.

VekknaSep 21, 20161 votes

Graves is played jungle 82% and top lane 13%, so your sarcastic smartassery is rather misplaced.

It Hertz When IPSep 21, 20161 votes

The discussion was about balancing ADC Graves.

VekknaSep 22, 20161 votes

The OP says "Graves jungle."

It Hertz When IPSep 22, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jelly Mac,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VPAe7aEM,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2016-09-21T11:17:20.718+0000)

Look at that. Another instance where Riot nerfs damage repeatedly, then ends up finally nerfing the actual problem but without undoing any damage nerfs. I just want my **botlane **Graves back.

AazzlanoSep 21, 20161 votes

It definitely will help. But will it be enough to make him balanced? No. Not even close. And that's kind of sad, that a champion is so badly overtuned that he has to have his Armor AND MR reduced by over 50 each at full potency of his kit. And he will still be overtuned since all of the Armor and MR he is getting is completely free. It's not like it takes a percentage of his power budget, his other skills are all incredibly strong on their own.

ZephyrDrakeSep 20, 20162 votes

i hope you enjoy Taliyah since the next time she gets touched will be a gut nerf since she is already pretty damn strong

invisiblecat1Sep 20, 20163 votes

They just nerfed into one of the top 10 lowest winrates. She used to be play a lot, but they removed her E damage, changed her W casting, and destroyed her mid game wave clear. She is pretty trash tier r n

yay nibbersSep 21, 20161 votes

It's just her average winrate that's trash though. People with a lot of experience on her are still doing really well, but a lot of people playing her haven't played her quite that much. http://image.prntscr.com/image/96d134aa0a9f42328121366891550242.png

inplaneSep 21, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ron Pitts,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VPAe7aEM,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-09-21T17:40:09.707+0000)

It's just her average winrate that's trash though. People with a lot of experience on her are still doing really well, but a lot of people playing her haven't played her quite that much. http://image.prntscr.com/image/96d134aa0a9f42328121366891550242.png

Her Win Rate % by Games Played is also pretty trash too. Compare her to the likes of Anivia , Viktor , Orianna , Mid Zyra , and Cassiopeia . They all have a winrate above 50%.

Taliyah ? 48.6%. Even Jungle Aatrox is above a 50% winrate for 125+ games. Azir has a 49.2% winrate. That's plain horrible.

inplaneSep 20, 20161 votes

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i hope you enjoy Taliyah since the next time she gets touched will be a gut nerf since she is already pretty damn strong

https://youtu.be/8EC2y8SD7wg?t=1m21s

I totally agre- ohwait.

DracocrashSep 21, 20161 votes

taliyah is anything but strong right now.

flibitydooSep 21, 20161 votes

It exists because he has as much range if not less than Urgot

actually checking the wiki, his autos are 425 range and so are urgots. So y'know, they gave him that durability probably for the same reason why Urgot get's a mana shield.

and to be fair, he's not really a proper ADC (just like Urgot). No one really plays him botlane because he get's dumpstered by ranged poke down there. He's really just a ranged fighter, without the cc/DPS that urgot entails, but with lots of aoe damage and burst.

SinlaireSep 21, 20161 votes

which is why they nerfed it and not removed it.

PermabannedGarenSep 21, 20161 votes

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You realize that a champion who was mean't to be an adc

Graves was billed primarily as a top laner for his rework. He's a bruiser.

Only Play DariusSep 21, 20167 votes

Not at all, he was billed as a traditional ADC with more burst and tankiness at the cost of short range and reloads, to help round out certain comps that maybe needed an ADC who could survive a little longer. And he was strong botlane, but was stronger top/jg so of course people abused him there. Riot nerfs his long range damage and the way he interacts with crit and essentially was forced into a jungle bruiser state after that.