Let's Discuss: Shaco and Nunu

I want to post my thoughts and see the community's as well.

These two champions don't have a stellar winrate but gameplay health is something I feel they have damaged.

Nunu, in my opinion, is one of the strongest champions out there now. He gives the AP equivalent of a rabadons for average AP mages (Veigar is ridiculous). He has a point-and-click slow that is spammable and up once the slow is gone. He also deals massive amounts of damage with his large AoE ultimate forcing the backline to back away as the frontline gets nuked down and causes the teamfight to be lost.

Listen, buffs just came out - but this is my experience so far. We still have to wait a while but these buffs are looking quite painful to play against in the scenarios I have been placed in. He's not absolutely OP and broken. Seems in a reasonable spot in terms of direction but also very strong in other cases.

Shaco himself - with dark harvest - is the most aggravating thing. IMO, Shaco outscales Vayne and Twitch now with his new build. He can instantly delete any squishy with DH+Duskblade+Shiv+Ravenous and that's not even full build. There's no reaction time, no time to prepare for it. He gets a 14 second stealth, pops, and deletes.

Granted, squishies building a frozen heart or randuins can let them survive but he still chunks through 70% of their HP and the squishies lose significant benefits.

I just think these two champions should be looked at and focused on. They're rising in popularity.