TIger Bonus Physical Damage: 30 / 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 (+ 120 / 135 / 150 / 165 / 180% AD)
Seriously? 30+ 120% AD. Which else champion have that much damage early levels???
So udyr stuns you then he lands tiger and when you are out of stun most of your health is missing
Right now I've seen so many udyrs melt everything and having nearly perfect KDA
nelogis4 votesEverything does too much damage early game.
Braum could propably burst you down to half HP level 1 with Auto Q Auto while using Electrolute and Scorch.
Pika Fox4 votes120% AD. So its basically 30 damage + the auto attack that comes with the form swap + 10 damage.
Not to mention he is LITERALLY melee. Hes more melee than yi, as yi has a gapcloser. Mid-late game you just kite him in a fight and hes useless.
SlashStriker1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=VMyk4LRj,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2018-08-10T15:37:15.507+0000)
120% AD. So its basically 30 damage + the auto attack that comes with the form swap + 10 damage.
Not to mention he is LITERALLY melee. Hes more melee than yi, as yi has a gapcloser. Mid-late game you just kite him in a fight and hes useless.
well Yi got 0 CC. It's way easier to escape from YI than escape from Udyr
Sometimes you just walk away from Yi during Highlander without using any specific escape tools
Pika Fox1 votesI mean, not really. Yi is immune to slows, udyr isnt. Its easier to walk away from udyr because both are vulnerable to hard CC and only udyr is vulnerable to soft.
SugeMinPikk2 votesThen that's a particularly bad Yi. Yi wants you to come to him. Once you're melee range, there's no escape. He has nothing but time so he doesn't need to alpha.
flibitydoo1 votesOkay I'm going to call you out on that second statement
show me a gameplay clip where that literally happens, where you outrun yi during highlander without any escape tools
SlashStriker1 votesOkay I'm going to call you out on that second statement
show me a gameplay clip where that literally happens, where you outrun yi during highlander without any escape tools
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNSVnOHO89Q&feature=youtu.be
As you see I am not running any faster than him. I turned back to fight him cause I was running out of highlander and he would kill me anyways. At beginning I was faster than him cause of Nimbus Cloak but then we suddenly started running at same speed :D
Highlander - 25 / 35 / 45% bonus movement speed 85 seconds cooldown
Bear stance - 15 / 20 / 25 / 30 / 35% bonus movement speed 6 seconds cooldown (Udyr also loves cooldown reduction) Udyr also gains additional up to 15 movement speed on Monkey's agility which is pretty much nothing but anyways
BobaFlautist1 votesNo, the phrasing "Bonus physical damage" means that that's in addition to the base aa.
Pika Fox1 votesThen its pretty much 2 autos.
SugeMinPikk4 votesHe's always been a fairly strong early duelist. He does have a hard time getting close enough early though. Bear stance only gives 15% move speed and most of the currently meta champions have cc, mobility, or higher move speed buff. Just don't fight him.
Sire Hippington2 votesFor better compareision with other skills, given udyrs base ad at lvl 1, his Q equals 110 base damage+120% bonus AD
Aatrox Q easily goes beyond that with all 3 hits, his 3ed Q alone does more damage than tiger on the sweetspot with 22+144% AD If you use both resets, camiles Q does more than that Cait's Q does 30+130%, though her lower base ad means slightly less damage than udyrs Q at lvl 1 Ez Q does 15+110% ad, so no much less for a spamable longrange skill Eve's Q does a total of 130+195%AP Graves Q does 130+140% bAD Illaois Q does 11+132% AD on lvl 1 Kaynes Q does 120+130% bAD Kah vs isolation deals 100+260% bAD Lee's Q does 100-150+ 200-300% bAD based on missing health
I could go on, but i think it's pretty evident that udyrs raw Q damage is prettymuch on pair with many other champs. Though he still has one of the best earlygames as he also gets high AS, has good base stats and can reproc the Q every 3 hits so if you just trade AAs, he usually wins against anyone. Also, if he preps it in a brush and you facecheck, he can double proc for truely insane damage. All things considered, he probably has the high potential lvl 1 damage output in the game, but since he's melee with poor gapcloseing you can simply avoid a straight up fight. Also, his lategame teamfighting is basically non existence. Makes for a very annoying splitpusher though.
SlashStriker1 votesI don't really understand your point but do you make difference between bonus damage and total damage? Because TIger is bonus damage to his next basic attack that is refreshed every 3rd hit
This bonus damage is way too high for early levels and should be cut at least by half but keep the lategame power
Beatrice falls1 votesImo his Q shouldn't apply twice, you can get a near one shot at level 1 if you have ignite, basically you take Q as a first spell, uses it (the Q special hit will be active) go in lane, use an AA, use again tiger stance (passive proc twice) and ignite, and the enemy is ded. Other than that Udyr isn't super strong, he hardly falls during mid / late game
Jamaree1 votesKite him.
CppL1 votesI dont think there is a champ who could out damage udyr early game
Mordepool1 votesJust wait for your level 6 powerspike.
Since he doesn't get that.
Also that's the answer to your question
SlashStriker1 votesJust wait for your level 6 powerspike.
Since he doesn't get that.
Also that's the answer to your question
and that's why he must have perfect KDA (0 deaths) the entire game while having 10-20 kills at the same time. It happened in several games now
YuGiHo1 votesyes he does to allot of damage
Meep Man1 votesIt's cause he has no ultimate, so his basic abilities have to be pretty dang good, especially since his Pheonix is pretty bad with AD builds and Tiger is only decent with AP builds.
