Watching the best Garen get smashed by the best Trynd is hilarious!

DarwinTheory··5 votes·2,751 views

Garen is a bruiser right?

Hit very tanky stats right (I'll even ignore the fact Darius has more HP, defences are meaningless regardless and even then Garen has to spend 20 mins stacking them ha ha ha!).

And according to this forum Trynd is easy for Garen. Just build bramble amiright?

And apparently Garen is a noob champ, right?

https://youtu.be/76T8j_IeIFM

Smashed in lane phase so badly he struggled to farm without Trynd jumping on him and AA'ing him to death.

1/4 in like 22 mins and his only kill was because Trynd stopped and stood under the tower and gave him a token kill.

In fact as 'good' as Riste is he rarely wins top and most of the time succumbs to farming under tower waiting for ganks.......which higher elo junglers actually do whereas low elo ones have a high probably of ignoring a pushed lane (say hello elo hell).

Would the best Darius in the world have been bullied like that?

Best Riven?

Best Renekton?

Best Camille?

Garen needs a fucking buff!!!!!! I don't care if RIOT nerf his damage hard I really don't just make him the tanky bruiser he always was before the juggernaut abomination! Make it so us garen players can soak up damage again and stay in the fight. Garen should be more like Chogath or Sion or Ornn by his theme not this super-pussy who sits under his bloody tower waiting for the off chance he doesn't have a baboon jungler.

13 Comments

MrFawknSunshine5 votes

bramble vest rush vs tryn is a mistake

if you arent trying to match his damage then you need to get item 3047 item 3082 early. this is what really negates alot of tryns damage

tryn can outsustain the damage/grievous wounds from bramble with his Q sustain. and he relies on crit/as so item 3143 is alot better vs tryn then item 3075

DeathBurst1 votes

Can confirm.

AlterMordred3 votes

Uh yea, best camille and darius probably wouldve suffered the same fast

Renekton can probably outburst trynda before trynda gets his lvl 6 outplay button

Riven is riven nuff said

Eybdoog2 votes

He needs a level 1 buff ONLY. Unless he loses his true damage ultimate on villain he doesn't deserve anything else imo

DarwinTheory2 votes

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He needs a level 1 buff ONLY. Unless he loses his true damage ultimate on villain he doesn't deserve anything else imo

I'd be happy for the villain mechanic to be removed for an overall QOL buff. It's a gimmick, unreliable, of no use to the players skill expression.

Like I say I don't want Garen to be broken OP strong what I want is Garen to be Garen, he is the honourable opposite of Sion, charging into battle taking licks for the greater good.

But what he is, is a little tower humping pussy who enjoys a 5 min mid game spurt of usefulness then drops into obscurity.

Barkley1 votes

People just build damage on garen anymore because he's basically worthless as a tank.

Then again... most tanks are basically worthless as a tank right now, so....

Lovelle1 votes

Needs a rework honestly, has a very binary/annoying design.

Eedat1 votes

Ok, Garen is bad in challenger. He's still doing fairly well in plat+ and even diamond+. We're gold. How tf does challenger soloq balance affect us in any way?

Pendergast8911 votes

While i agree that garen needs some love, basing his balance state off of how it interacts with probably THE most toxic kit in league currently is unfair.

ImTheJuggernauty1 votes

Garen isn't less tanky than he used to be before the rework...if anything he might be tankier, so you're looking at the wrong issue. The issue is that there is SIGNIFICANTLY more damage than there used to be

nm10101 votes

Watched video, saw him use q on minions right as Trynd spun through 3 melees for fury + damage. Then proceeded to let Trynd hit him multiple times with fury + lethal up. Guy clearly made mistakes so he deserved to get stomped, this isn't baby leagues where you can do that kind of stupid stuff and not be punished.

Edit: Then he tanks like 10 minions for no reason? Who is this guy and how is he higher than plat?

ImTheJuggernauty1 votes

What they should do is make garen more specialized and able to contribute in a more meaningful manner. Already he is the tankiest juggernaut with the worst in-fight sustain, and he sort of acts as an execute assassin type juggernaut. Whereas darius is more offensive but takes longer to get ramped up, with less durability but more potential in-fight sustain. While I think darius should have a few changes that allow him to decrease the damage and offer a slight AS or MS debuff of enemies as he stacks them (in exchange for less AD bonus on passive), garen on the other hand, could be given some changes as well that might fit his identity.

  • One idea could be to give him bonus damage when he is CC'd, like after being slowed, make his next AA or spell 25% stronger (not including ult, that would quickly become ridiculous), and after stun or knockup, the next AA or spell would be 50% stronger. He would have a 1 second cooldown on the affect. This route would provide him more damage, which you said you don't want, but which would fit his theme of shrugging off cc and ignoring pain. This would also incentivize opponents to kite properly, because if they don't kite properly they could end up taking even more damage than before.

-Heavy Armor: Garen gains .25 magic resist for every point in armor that he purchases (since his armor has petricite or whatever), and for every 100 total armor and/or 100 total MR, he gains 10% tenacity. This would definitely increase his survivability, but wouldn't be a great help against threats like tryn except for the fact that garen could build more armor with less attention to buying MR. If he simply bought randuins and ninja tabi, he would gain 25 MR and, combined with base stats, would gains approximately 20-30% tenacity.

-Q bonus - crushing weight. For every 500 HP and/or 50 armor garen has more than an opponent, he deals 8-10% more damage. This would. This would really reinforce his burstier nature against squishies when he's trying to target and pseudo assassinate them. He would still have the issue of GETTING to the backline or keeping up with squishier bruisers, as he currently does.

-Passive bonus: Hearty Warrior - Garen gains 2 AD for every 100 bonus hp he has, and gains 75 hp for every bonus 50 armor. In a likely scenario, he would gain approximately 150-225 hp, and about 40-50 AD

Just some thoughts. In order to gain some of these benefits he might have to lose the villain mechanic, but like you and many other garen mains have stated before, the villain mechanic isn't greatly appreciated by garen mains.

Other ideas would be to give him some form of skill shot or other type action.

One idea would be to give garen shields surrounding one quarter of his body each, after he uses ult. They'd last about 6 seconds and would absorb damage taken from the portion of the body they are on scaling something like: 100-200-400 (Increasing with each rank in R). So garen, if he effectively maneuvered could at lvl 16 reduce damage by up to 1600, but in most scenarios would only block about 400-800 damage late game. Still a significant boon though, that would offer the chance for some skill expression and allow him to do something with his ult other than nuke somebody. It would be similar in use to pantheon's new W, but with a finite amount of damage reduction, and would be sort of the opposite of fiora's vital spots concept.

DeathBurst1 votes

One game doesn't prove anything. And losing lane doesn't prove anything either.

Just as an example: if it was a Kayle losing lane, you wouldn't pretend it's a sign that Kayle needs a buff.

Garen might or might not need a buff. But that game doesn't prove anything. Find another argument.

(And more likely, Garen needs a rework, not a buff. He's probably at the upper limit of what's balanced in terms of raw power budget. It's just that this budget is very badly distributed, all in raw stats and nothing in play-making potential. But that's beside the point. Your reasoning is not valid.)

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