Black Cleaver should only reduce your bonus armor, not total armor

darkdill·May 3, 2015·3 votes·543 views

I just fought a Darius with Black Cleaver and his basically handed us our asses, even when I was a 4.5k health Sejuani (and their Lucian didn't have BoRK). And in another match, the enemy had Xin Zhao, who will basically make you lose 40% of your armor if you are his target (because of his passive). Wukong? Over 50% missing armor if he hits you with his Q. The list goes on.

I dunno about you guys, but I think the new Black Cleaver is a tiny bit too strong. To remedy that, I propose that its effect should only work against bonus armor, not total armor. Essentially, it'd only work against armor from items, buffs, runes, and masteries. There, no good vs squishies or high-health/low-armor opponents.

8 Comments

ChangstyMay 3, 20153 votes

They still need to hit you 6 times to get the full armor shred, during which they probably aren't hitting your carries.

Critmaster GarenMay 3, 20151 votes

if black cleaver is too strong, then last whisper is op.

dont forget that darius is a special case, as he has inbuilt % armor pen to stack with cleaver.

MalzaharAnyLaneMay 4, 20152 votes

The OP is saying anyone with built-in arpen to stack with BC is OP.

This would have been true before the rework as well.

Critmaster GarenMay 4, 20151 votes

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The OP is saying anyone with built-in arpen to stack with BC is OP.

This would have been true before the rework as well.

the speed buff was bigger for darius than anything else. the extra 5% armor shred wont make that much of a difference.

that chasing power though. for garen and darius, the new cleaver is a godsent. i mean darius could build triforce before, but that didnt also come with 20% cdr.

Cloud273May 4, 20151 votes

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if black cleaver is too strong, then last whisper is op.

dont forget that darius is a special case, as he has inbuilt % armor pen to stack with cleaver.

ALL forms of armor pen are OP.