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Tilthankaldar··2 votes·519 views

Assuming ezreal buys an iceborn and not tri force

Ezreal's Q at rank 5 deals 115 + 110% AD. Iceborn deals 100% of base AD, which is 97 at level 18 for Ezreal. This gives a total of 212 + 110% AD.

Varus' fully-charged Q at rank 5 deals 235 + 160% AD.

Varus' fully-charged Q at rank 5 always deals more damage than Ezreal's rank 5 Q with Iceborn, by about 20 + 50% AD which is very minuscule.

Lets say they both have 200 AD

Ezreals Q will do 212+110% which is 212 + 220 = 432

Varus fully charged Q will do 235+ 160% which is 235 + 320 = 555

TL;DR

Ezreals Q will do 432.

Varus's Q will do 555.

If ezreal buys tri-force instead of iceborn, Ezreals Q will indeed do the same damage as a fully charged varus Q.

Thats a big fucking problem considering Ezreals Q has a

  • 1.5 second CD
  • Completely spammeable because low mana cost
  • No delay on cast or movement restrictions
  • Ezreal gains 65 armor cdr and a slow by building iceborn

THIS IS NOT AN EZREAL IS BROKEN THREAD.

This is a varus needs buffs thread...

I sincerely think as someone who completely dropped varus in ranked, that he needs buffs immediately. His utility is lackluster considering his W needs a spell to proc it which sometimes gets rid of his E or Q which is horrible considering he needs those.

14 Comments

InfernoFøx2 votes

You do realize thats with a full build. Plus, that is base damage. That is not taking in affect of the armour or the penetration. So in reality, they are doing maybe 25% less damage than calculated. Also, Ezreal is easy to dodge. Varus's Q goes a lot quicker and has a larger hitbox than what you see. And they are both used for different situation. Both deal damage yes, but Varus is for poke and siege, while ez relies on hitting his Q. Thats his main damage

Tilthankaldar1 votes

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You do realize thats with a full build. Plus, that is base damage. That is not taking in affect of the armour or the penetration. So in reality, they are doing maybe 25% less damage than calculated. Also, Ezreal is easy to dodge. Varus's Q goes a lot quicker and has a larger hitbox than what you see. And they are both used for different situation. Both deal damage yes, but Varus is for poke and siege, while ez relies on hitting his Q. Thats his main damage

Ezreals Q is harder to dodge than varus Q. Dont even make up bullshit.

You literally have to be borderline bronze-first month in league to say ezreals Q is easier to dodge. They both have the same size varus just goes a bit further but is not spammeable at all and theres no delay for ezreal so you can see varus Q.

InfernoFøx1 votes

Youre thinking way too hard about this. Ezreal is fairly balanced. They both have things in their kit that make them very strong when ahead. Learning to dodge skill-shots is a skill. I dont see why you're complaining. Ezreal's Q can not go through minions or anyone else than the first target hit. Varus's Q goes through any unit with a minimum damage of 40% damage. In a 1 on 1 with ez and varus, Varus will lose because his kit is designed for a different kind of play style. Ezreal is meant to have strong damage with his Q because that is his main source of damage. Its not about whether or not ez is OP, Its about if you can dodge him or use your surroundings to your advantage. I see where you are coming from, but there is no reason to be upset. Train with your friends to help you dodge his abilities! It really helps after a while because you can recognize his distance and hit-box. Thats all i have to say.

Tilthankaldar1 votes

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Youre thinking way too hard about this. Ezreal is fairly balanced. They both have things in their kit that make them very strong when ahead. Learning to dodge skill-shots is a skill. I dont see why you're complaining. Ezreal's Q can not go through minions or anyone else than the first target hit. Varus's Q goes through any unit with a minimum damage of 40% damage. In a 1 on 1 with ez and varus, Varus will lose because his kit is designed for a different kind of play style. Ezreal is meant to have strong damage with his Q because that is his main source of damage. Its not about whether or not ez is OP, Its about if you can dodge him or use your surroundings to your advantage. I see where you are coming from, but there is no reason to be upset. Train with your friends to help you dodge his abilities! It really helps after a while because you can recognize his distance and hit-box. Thats all i have to say.

You're right! This whole thread is not about ''whether or not ez is op''

This whole fuckin thread has nothing to do with ezreal. My point was to say that varus needs buffs and you're somehow talking about dodging ezreals Q. If thats the case, then sidestepping varus Q should be fairly easy then. Right? I mean we're talking about sidestepping right?

So what does varus have then if we're sidestepping his Qs? His Ult and ... thats it. Nothing , trash, garbage.

I have an easier time sidestepping varus Qs than ezreal Qs you know why? Varus cant Q every 1.6 seconds. Ezreal can.

Why dont you stick to the point

InfernoFøx1 votes

Ezreal relies on his Q for damage. Varus doesn't. Varus is an AA heavy champion at his core. Ezreal needs his Q to do actual damage.

You're basing your statements on the situation that:

1. Ezreal is against Varus
2. They are both at full build and have no allies nearby
3. There are no minions around and no Terrain
4. They are only using their Q's

So, In a perfect game with all of those in effect, yes, Ezreal will probably win. But they each have their own strengths and weaknesses to different kits. In a teamfight, I would have to say that Varus will win because he is based off of AOE damage and multiple targets. Besides Ezreal's ult, He has to focus on a single target.

Varus is very strong ATM, but not Ashe, Jhin, or Sivir strong. He has high damage and lot of CC. He is a good team fighter and scales fairly well. He has one of the hardest hitting skill-shots in the game with his Q. He is strong, but not strong to compete with the ADC's in the meta currently. Played right, Varus is a monster and a huge threat with "Tons of Damage" - Phreak. With that being said, using ezreal in comparison was changing the topic of suggested subject. Hope that answered your question.

Tilthankaldar1 votes

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Ezreal relies on his Q for damage. Varus doesn't. Varus is an AA heavy champion at his core. Ezreal needs his Q to do actual damage.

You're basing your statements on the situation that:

1. Ezreal is against Varus
2. They are both at full build and have no allies nearby
3. There are no minions around and no Terrain
4. They are only using their Q's

So, In a perfect game with all of those in effect, yes, Ezreal will probably win. But they each have their own strengths and weaknesses to different kits. In a teamfight, I would have to say that Varus will win because he is based off of AOE damage and multiple targets. Besides Ezreal's ult, He has to focus on a single target.

Varus is very strong ATM, but not Ashe, Jhin, or Sivir strong. He has high damage and lot of CC. He is a good team fighter and scales fairly well. He has one of the hardest hitting skill-shots in the game with his Q. He is strong, but not strong to compete with the ADC's in the meta currently. Played right, Varus is a monster and a huge threat with "Tons of Damage" - Phreak. With that being said, using ezreal in comparison was changing the topic of suggested subject. Hope that answered your question.

You are so fuckin off topic that i dont even wanna read after your first sentence.

Varus has a 3.8% play rate and a 46% win rate

No you're right hes a good adc!

Shut up. Its not even salt its just you talkin out your ass

InfernoFøx1 votes

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You are so fuckin off topic that i dont even wanna read after your first sentence.

Varus has a 3.8% play rate and a 46% win rate

No you're right hes a good adc!

Shut up. Its not even salt its just you talkin out your ass

Im just using logic that i have seen and played with. I play varus. I dont get what youre talking about anymore. You first explain that Ezreal compared to Varus is lacking. Then you explain that varus needs a buff. I covered both of those topics. Please tell me what the actual topic is so i may address it correctly

Tilthankaldar1 votes

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Im just using logic that i have seen and played with. I play varus. I dont get what youre talking about anymore. You first explain that Ezreal compared to Varus is lacking. Then you explain that varus needs a buff. I covered both of those topics. Please tell me what the actual topic is so i may address it correctly

You play varus? Where? Show me. You're a yasuo main. Not an adc main

InfernoFøx1 votes

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You play varus? Where? Show me. You're a yasuo main. Not an adc main

lol i do play varus. I have mastery 4 with him. I dont play him as often as i did before the ranking system. I played varus a lot before the mastery system came out. So i know his kit very well. And i main top lane primary and adc secondary. I dont need to be an adc main to know how he works

Tilthankaldar1 votes

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lol i do play varus. I have mastery 4 with him. I dont play him as often as i did before the ranking system. I played varus a lot before the mastery system came out. So i know his kit very well. And i main top lane primary and adc secondary. I dont need to be an adc main to know how he works

You have mastery 4 on varus. I have mastery 7 on him and dont even play him.

InfernoFøx1 votes

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You have mastery 4 on varus. I have mastery 7 on him and dont even play him.

ok? just because you have mastery 7 doesnt mean you understand your champion. Now what is this thread really about?

Furor Nexis1 votes

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ok? just because you have mastery 7 doesnt mean you understand your champion. Now what is this thread really about?

Varus main chipping in.

I think someone has to understand how their champion works to get 2 S- gradings and then three standard S gradings for Masteries 6 and 7. To quote Kled, 'shut yer mouth hole!'

Now, onto the good stuff since you like talking shit about Varus.

Varus can be played in varying ways; ADC, AD Caster and AP. All are legitimate and working builds, which puts Varus in a very niche position. Oh yeah you bet your ass he's played as an AD Caster. AP Too. Immobile as hell, but sure enough he is. There's a reason why his poke is seen in competitive play.

You're saying he's auto reliant. That's only slightly correct, depending on what build you make. Even with the ADC build Varus is more reliant on setting up and damaging your enemies with his Q. You still abuse his poke a lot as ADC Varus, and I began playing him as ADC Varus. In fact, the most auto-reliant builds he has is his AP builds, which are primarily on-hit builds anyways. His primary downfalls are his low immobility, mana hungry abilities and his shit scaling into late game. The poor scaling is true for his AD builds, but not his AP builds, and anyone who knows how to manage their mana well will have no problem with Varus.

InfernoFøx1 votes

You're missing the point. All im saying is, at his core, he is an AA heavy champion. Yes he can be played as mid lane or AP. But thats not what this thread is about. He is an AA adc. Yes, he has a lot of damage with his abilities and can be somewhat spammed. But his kis is based off of the idea you AA then use abilities. Just like Lucian, he can be AP. But you have to look at Varus as an ADC. If you use a standard varus build: item 3508 item 3087 item 3072 item 3031 item 3139 item 3006 then you are AA reliant. You get mana back everytime you crit, so he can use his abilities more often. That, is what i have noticed and seen as a standard build, (substitute ss for firecannon or hurricane). So as an ADC, he is very strong and can do a lot of damage. This has nothing to do with his AP scaling or him going AP

InfernoFøx1 votes

I forgot to add, Varus is not an AD caster like Ezreal. Kind of like Caitlyn, they rely more on AA's than their actual abilities. But their abilities do in fact help them do more damage in the long run.

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