That moment when I'm Aatrox with BOTRK/BT/Visage and a WW with Scepter/Bloodrazor out-lifesteals me.

Astôlfo·Sep 14, 2016·9 votes·1,063 views

Now it just might be me, but I feel like there's something mildly unusual about that. Or am I just delusional?

42 Comments

Dominick DestineSep 14, 20165 votes

Warwick, arguably followed by Jax, is the undisputed Captain-Right-Click of the game.

Of course Aatrox will lose... don't forget Aatrox has a dash/AoE stun and AoE nuke/slow. Warwick has nothing but a channeled single target disable that lasts less than 2 seconds and a garbo kit on top of that.

DarkRitualSep 14, 20162 votes

MasterYi Tryndamere Caitlyn would like to be invited to the right-click party.

MatezoideSep 14, 20162 votes

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would like to be invited to the right-click party.

Jax beats the shit out of them.

PermabannedGarenSep 15, 20164 votes

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Jax beats the shit out of them.

Tryndamere and Yi can duel Jax.

If Yi kites out and avoids the E he stomps Jax into the dirt. His DPS is far higher.

Tryndamere needs to do the same, but if he does he wins.

MelledoneusSep 15, 20161 votes

Rammus Destroys both of us.

PermabannedGarenSep 16, 20161 votes

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Destroys both of us.

A full armour Rammus might beat Tryndamere 1v1 (Idk never tested it), but against Master Yi (I have tested this) and Jax? Nah. Yi's DPS and true damage is too much to deal with, and Jax deals mixed damage so Rammus can't just build straight armour.

MelledoneusSep 16, 20161 votes

Rammus gets MR for his W. With Thornmail, the taunt, and a crap ton of armor (and some MR). Rammus can beat Jax.

That is, unless, Jax has 2 lifesteal items and gunblade, in which case somebody is screwed and his name isn't Jax.

PermabannedGarenSep 16, 20161 votes

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Rammus gets MR for his W. With Thornmail, the taunt, and a crap ton of armor (and some MR). Rammus can beat Jax.

That is, unless, Jax has 2 lifesteal items and gunblade, in which case somebody is screwed and his name isn't Jax.

Maybe. I'd believe it. Rammus is a cancer tank on par with Malphite.

MelledoneusSep 16, 20161 votes

So tanks specializing in one type of resistance and lacking rotational hard CC are "cancer?"

My, my. Let's just call Galio and Maokai "cancer tanks" while we're at it. I suppose Kassadin is a "cancer assassin?"

PermabannedGarenSep 16, 20161 votes

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So tanks specializing in one type of resistance and lacking rotational hard CC are "cancer?"

My, my. Let's just call Galio and Maokai "cancer tanks" while we're at it. I suppose Kassadin is a "cancer assassin?"

No, tanks that get to have the utility and defense of a tank while being able to kill skirmishers 1v1 are cancer.

Malphite has one of the best engages in the game and is a huge team fight monster. Why is he also able to duel melee carries?

Rammus is sort of the same thing, with the added attribute of having a thornmail in his kit.

MelledoneusSep 16, 20161 votes

Buy some lifesteal/MR, Malphite and Rammus have irrelevent damage. You're a melee carry, you destroy even armor tanks if you're not behind. Don't act like carries are outscaled by armor tanks. You build damage, and their defense is meaningless.

Rammus's job is to reach the enemy ADC with a movement speed buff that can be stopped by collision, and punish carries for attacking him. He can't do much else.

Malphite engages on the enemy team and slows the carries to apply pressure. If the carry is a caster like Lucian, they don't give two fucks about attack speed as much as someone like Vayne. His only hard CC is also on a high CD. Sure, he has exclusive access to the back line, but if somebody flanks while he does that, they can feast on his team's carries while he struggles to peel while getting melted by the enemy team. His dueling capablities are only good if he builds AP, which forgoes his biggest stat: armor.

Mai Waifu IreliaSep 15, 20161 votes

Tryndamere can't really duel jax. Tryn has no reliable way to dodge jax E Jax is tankier Jax will do more dps as long as the jax plays tryns ult properly he should never lose, unless tryn is already fed and ahead of him.

I guess can't reliably duel jax is more accurate.

PermabannedGarenSep 16, 20161 votes

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Tryndamere can't really duel jax. Tryn has no reliable way to dodge jax E

He E's away. Alternatively, he avoids being damaged during the duration of the E with E, then no-sells the stun with mercurial scimitar.

Jax is tankier

Tryndamere is tankier due to his ult, but yeah in terms of health and resistances Jax will be tankier. It won't really matter though. Tryndamere shreds through actual tanks like they're made of butter, and Jax isn't that tanky.

Jax will do more dps

How? Tryndamere tends to get more attack speed than Jax (even accounting for Jax's steroid), will crit on almost every auto attack, and each crit (unmitigated) should be doing over 1,000 damage. I don't think sheen procs really make up the difference, and Tryndamere can just as easy fit Triforce into his build.

as long as the jax plays tryns ult properly he should never lose, unless tryn is already fed and ahead of him.

I guess can't reliably duel jax is more accurate.

I might be willing to agree that Jax has the advantage, but I've seen enough high elo Tryndamere vs. Jax duels to believe that Tryndamere can definitely beat Jax.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 15, 20161 votes

i will build ap jax and one shot yi before he even does anything.

it has nothing to do with the E. jax destroys E because hes tankier. while having a lot more burst. and mixed damage that yi can't itemize against.

PermabannedGarenSep 16, 20161 votes

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i will build ap jax and one shot yi before he even does anything.

it has nothing to do with the E. jax destroys E because hes tankier. while having a lot more burst. and mixed damage that yi can't itemize against.

You will build AP Jax and be one-shot before you can do anything more like, lol.

AP Jax can't one shot a properly-built and meditating Master Yi, and all that armour and health you don't have is going to get you murdered by Yi.

Jax's cute tank stats mean nothing to the champion with the highest DPS in the entire game. He's a better tank-shredder than Vayne in terms of raw speed at killing tanks.

Also, Yi can't itemize against mixed damage?

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Yi can lifesteal back Jax's burst, and has way higher DPS.

Jax can win (AP Jax probably can't though lol), but he's not able to just stat-check Yi like he does most people.

GULAG 4 USep 15, 20161 votes

If jax fails to land the stun on yi jax is dunzo. dead. gfooking

TyroneWatermelonSep 15, 20161 votes

Vayne first,jax secondth.

DraygenBiscuitSep 14, 20164 votes

Ya... Aatrox is pretty bad right now, and warwick is pretty much the best 1v1 fighter around.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 15, 20161 votes

Jax destroyes warwick. or anyone 1v1

PermabannedGarenSep 16, 20161 votes

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destroyes warwick. or anyone 1v1

Nasus crushes Jax one on one. With almost no effort.

He destroys every champion 1v1 except for Master Yi and a well-played Vayne (maybe also Kog'maw but fuck that stupid champion).

CrettSep 14, 20162 votes

Aatrox is not strong (because if he was it'd be a nightmare). He needs a rework

FallenSeruvimSep 14, 20162 votes

Aatrox is arguably the least useful, and weakest champion in league. He performs nothing well.

JbelsSep 14, 20162 votes

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Aatrox is arguably the least useful, and weakest champion in league. He performs nothing well.

Nunu?

FallenSeruvimSep 14, 20166 votes

Nunu speed and AS buffs a carry, has a slow and AOE zoning with ult. And is a counter jungle and objective control god. People aren't utilizing him now because of the immense hyper damage the game has become. No one has any use of a strategic low dmg champ

AbyssphereSep 15, 20161 votes

Nobody used him for the majority of last season either. Nothing to do with damage creep.

JalkanSep 15, 20161 votes

pro players

GULAG 4 USep 15, 20162 votes

Aatrox is a statchecker with no stats so he loses all statchecks

SpoofghoulSep 15, 20161 votes

Yea something like that dunno why you got downvoted cos its true

Hes just like irelia yi jax trynd ww they all rightclick stat checkers with some bells and whistles to make them seem more different when they really arent that different outside of a few differen bullshit defense mechanics

GULAG 4 USep 15, 20161 votes

Yeah. Stat check is shit, that's why I want melee carries to awlk in the yasuo direction. No, not being edge as fuck, but have fuck up and fuck over you potential.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 15, 20161 votes

It's not like Warwick is a bad lifestealer. In fact, he's probably up there with Aatrox as one of the best.

AstôlfoSep 15, 20161 votes

Yeah, I just didn't think he'd beat me at the lifesteal game that hard when I had 37.5% lifesteal essentially just from items (30% from two LS items, Visage granting 7.5%), as well as my W passive every 3 hits, when he only had 10% lifesteal and nothing else besides his Q occasionally and then his passive.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 15, 20161 votes

Honestly, I'd have to see the full 1v1 to pass judgement here.

AstôlfoSep 15, 20161 votes

Is there any way to pull up the recording from a game that wasn't manually recorded? (And I don't use Replay.GG and had turned off Plays.TV for the game because it was lagging me for some reason in that particular game)

TheOvermindSep 15, 20161 votes

Learn the difference between lifesteal and life on hit

AbandonSep 15, 20161 votes

This is why when people mumble on about Aatrox being unhealthy as a 'drain tank' I question if they've ever seen an Aatrox at all. In a straight up lifesteal battle, he will lose against other 'drain tanks' in your case, Warwick. Against other dps champions he will straight up lose in an even gold fight, for example against Trynd or Yi. People like to jump to conclusions about champions based on single abilities alone - in this case Aatrox's W, Bloodthirst. Whilst 200% increased below 50% with some bonus ad scaling may seem nice they really don't take into account that bonus AD requires BUILDING AD and that Aatrox has no defensive steroids hence opting for full AD is incredibly risky and leaves Aatrox missing out on many vital stats. Also, the healing above 50% is miniscule. Any HIGH AD champion with a lifesteal item will outheal Aatrox's W if he is not also stacking other AD + lifesteal items on top of him.

On the topic of right click king... you guys can't forget KogMaw right? He is literally a moving turret lol.

AstôlfoSep 15, 20166 votes

No, Kog's not a moving turret. If turrets were like Kog, they'd actually be a threat. :D

AbandonSep 15, 20161 votes

Oh, you rite ;)

TyroneWatermelonSep 15, 20161 votes

We deals max hp with Q and razor and Aatrox only deals flat physical and current. Also lifesteal scales on damage dealt with with Aatrox,you can only have 2: Damage/Sustain/Tankiness