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I've been playing tank tops a lot recently and i have a few things to say.

adidas··89 votes·4,804 views

First off before anything, The only time i feel useless as a tank is when the enemy team has Gangplank Vayne Irelia Fiora and a few others.

Disregarding that

For the people claiming that you were a 330 armor malphite and died in 2-3 seconds. You must be making some extremely horrible decisions ( Example would be using a malphite ult when it would clearly be a 1v5 because your team isnt close enough to follow up )

Or even thinking that the adc with red buff and the whole team having 3 infernals + elder SOMEHOW makes you still think you are a tank when you arent one.

Ive been playing shen and sejuani. If you are seriously dying in 2 seconds then you are doing something extremely fucking wrong. Even then 3-4 seconds in a team fight is enough because your team should be following up.

EVEN THEN IF YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE REMOTELY TANKY ON YOUR TEAM THAT IS 100% ON YOUR TEAM FOR PICKING BAD PICKS.

The best comps usually involve 1 tank and 1 semi-tanky ( Irelia , Braum Vi )

Im just being honest from my experiences. Especially if you're playing a malphite and legitimately said you died in 2-3 seconds you are fuckin trollin and a straight up liar biased against ADCs or something.

Yes adcs melt tanks endgame but no not in 2 seconds. Mid game their autos do about 150 as crits to a tank

144 Comments

Xonra74 votes

"If you are seriously dying in 2 seconds then you are doing something extremely fucking wrong."

I think this could have been the entire post and I still would have upvoted lol

UtilityPunk2 votes

Pretty much. 90% of the time this happens to me, I just rushed when the only other person in the teamfight was at <25% hp and I got stuck in a blast of cc from 3+ directions.

I've begun building armour/resist earlier just because it's such an effective way to deny kills to the opposing team when it's difficult for them to punish me for bad positioning 1 on 1 (sometimes 2 on 1).

Bladerunner777717 votes

Irelia doesn't kill tanks lategame though unlike Gangplank Vayne or Fiora

Early-midgame Irelia kills everything, but she does flat true damage so the only thing she will be melting lategame are ADCs

LatetotheRace3 votes

And mages/assassins, and fighters. Pretty much everything that isn't a tank, while ignoring your CC because.. "balanced passives." Whereas she cannot kill tanks with the utmost ease late game, she's extremely problematic for tanks due to tenacity overload and mobility.

Bladerunner77774 votes

Irelia's passive sucks

people that think it's good don't play enough Irelia

Auz the Ripper3 votes

I wouldn't say it outright sucks, there are worse ones in this game but it's certainly not the end-all be-all of passives

Bladerunner77771 votes

It's a lot better on paper than it is in reality

Junkο1 votes

With Mercury Treads she essentially halves all CC on her. Not that great for most CC in the game, but there are a few CC spells that last a really long time, Morgana Q, Nasus W, Ashe ult, etc. So it's not really useless.

Bladerunner77771 votes

Ninja tabi is usually a better option in most scenarios

Junkο1 votes

The thing is, on most champions who would like Ninja Tabi, they can't get it because the Tenacity on Mercury Treads is really valuable. But when playing Irelia, if you so wish, you can freely pick Ninja Tabi. So the pasive is good.

Bladerunner77771 votes

Tenacity isn't THAT good

Junkο1 votes

It is way better than 10% less damage taken from AAs, considering usually only 1 person on the enemy team will have AAs as the main source of damage.

Bladerunner77771 votes

Uh, not even close

If you really think Merc treads > Tabi then I don't know what to tell you

Marshbouy7 votes

It's really funny seeing people say tank stats are useless... P.S. item 3143 get this item. It's amazing.

adidas4 votes

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It's really funny seeing people say tank stats are useless... P.S. item 3143 get this item. It's amazing.

Yeah exactly. Randuins is fucking great. that 10% crit reduction is a lot.

I have a few videos of me playing Sejuani and completely ignoring a tristana mid game because her autos didnt do jack shit.

TyroneWatermelon5 votes

you serious? 10% crit reduction is almost nothing

Rain NT6 votes

when ADC crits you for 300-400 damage late game (ofc cause you have armor, and thats if they hit that hard) that 10% MEANS something, thats 30-40 damage off EVERY AA (ofc if the ADC has close to 100% crit whcih most ADC build 3 crit items nowadays). So pretend an ADC hits you 10 times and you have 3k hp, thats 300-400 damage reduced. Now if they hit you 20 times, THATS 600-800 DAMAGE REDUCED. YOU ONLY HAVE 3k HP, you reduced almost a third of your health in damage.. That 10% means something

TyroneWatermelon4 votes

im pretty sure an adc that hits you 20 times and doesnt kill you late game is a mage. 5 hits are enough to take a bruiser down and 9 for full tanks. thats makes it item effective against ad carries right? so why would i ever want to build any other armor item instead,when every team comp will get an adc?

Rain NT7 votes

if youre going to be realisitic, it takes about 10-12 AAs to kill a bruiser and 15-18 to kill a full tank if not more ALONE for an ADC. 6-7 if your team helps you against a bruiser, and 9-13aa against a full tank with you full team helping you. You get armor because you dont want to get 3 shot by an adc over getting killed 9-13.

TyroneWatermelon5 votes

really? and what kind of bruiser is that? rammus? any bruiser that building a bit more damage than black leaver will be alot more easier to take down

Rain NT2 votes

Bruiser like Olaf, Darius, Irelia. If you can get me a clip if you killing them with 7 AAs alone, then I'll believe you, but from what I've experience as an ADC and as a bruiser, it takes about 10-12 aas before the ADC can kill Darius, Irelia or Olaf with everyone having full item. Not too long not too fast to kill, since ADC basically shoot 2 aas a second late game.

TyroneWatermelon3 votes

you do not kill irelia,irelia kills you. with trinity force alone,all other items are tanky and some button mashing she outduels every adc in the game

Ackelope9 votes

Really like taking that along with some item 3047 , the crit reduction and the AA dmg reduction stack up quite nicely.

Jimmyyy3 votes

Wait... Counters to auto attacks? But... I thought I was tanky enough against the Lucian/Jhin/Ashe when I have item 3190 item 3083 item 3065 item 3800 !

Ackelope1 votes

Nah dude, you're doing it all wrong! If you wanna be tanky, your first item should always be item 3089.

Only Play Darius6 votes

ADC's are building everything except Crit right now

TurquoiseYoshi9 votes

Even with the crit reduction, Randuin's STILL gives more armor than any other HP/Armor item, beating out Sunfire, Dead Man's Plate, and Ohmwrecker by 10 armor. It also gives the same HP as each of them as well (except the trash one, which gives less), and costs the same as the others (except the trash one, which costs less). So, even without ADCs building crit, it's still the most useful. And that's completely discounting the free stat decreases from the passive and active the item has. Additionally, it's without mentioning the fact that not building crit will get you facetanked way harder by armor items, because flat arpen is garbage against actual armor (it's a strange stat).

ARequestOfDeath1 votes

psst hey i will show you the anti-carry build item 3075 item 3143 item 3047 item 3812 item 3046 item 3110

Marshbouy2 votes

That's cancer. Get that away from me

notmebuthim1 votes

Is that the new Yasuo build?

ARequestOfDeath1 votes

no.it would need ie for it to be a yas build. it is a bruiser build meant to take down adcs

Wind Whistler1 votes

{quoted}

It's really funny seeing people say tank stats are useless... P.S. item 3143 get this item. It's amazing.

I remember when they made it just a shitty niche item. I'm glad it went back to being good again.

MunchCrunchLunch6 votes

150 damage per auto from an adc.

wow. #notFacts

LOOOOOOOLLL

so you the guy that has been playing tank tops recently is the one with the experience to tell us how long tanks survive in team fights. you got 5 games on malphite and 7 on nauty and your a tank expert now.

adidas7 votes

{quoted}

150 damage per auto from an adc.

wow. #notFacts

LOOOOOOOLLL

so you the guy that has been playing tank tops recently is the one with the experience to tell us how long tanks survive in team fights. you got 5 games on malphite and 7 on nauty and your a tank expert now.

I also have 1000 ranked games as an ADC alone. During the mid game your autos will only do about 120-200 to tanks. Yes

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

lol. what about late game?

adidas6 votes

{quoted}

lol. what about late game?

Late game transitions to about 350-450 crits. Anything more than that then you arent a tank.

PermabannedGaren7 votes

{quoted}

Late game transitions to about 350-450 crits. Anything more than that then you arent a tank.

You're talking to a guy who legitimately believes he should be able to jump on any ADC late game and kill them solo as any tank. His viewpoint should not be taken seriously.

MunchCrunchLunch4 votes

mr troll. am saying that me playing malphite or a tank shouldn't die as they initiate as i was some squishy. I don't remember last season dying as a full tank in 2-3 seconds. unless it was a vayne. people had to buy botrk to chunk tanks. now anything blows them away. i dont think tanks shoud solo adcs. but they can't tank they damage. adc's last more in fights due to excessive healing.

as graves. I can tank more damage than a ful armor malphite. and i have done it. i can legitimately buy an sv. two lifesteal items. and last way more than a tank would ever last in a team fight. am healing for 500 health an auto.

Pika Fox4 votes

Dont initiate solo then like an idiot. Yes, if you have 5 people attacking you as a tank, unless youre alistar with a flat 80% all damage reduction you will die quickly. This has always been the case, except in metas where tanks were too powerful. And even then they died fast when they were focused out of place.

The ADC alone isnt going to kill you in 2-3 seconds. Its just not going to happen, unless the ADC is drastically fed. In which case, sucks to be you, and your bot lane.

Ackelope1 votes

350-450? and a tank properly building will usually have around 3500-4000 health in my experience, meaning it'll take aroung 9-10 auto attacks, which translates to probably 5 seconds at the least, unless you're up against something like KogMaw or Vayne. I'd expect it to be more than 5 seconds, since I don't see a lot of ADCs with even 2 attacks per second.

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

umm i didnt say adc is the only one putting pressure on the tank. but the matter of a fact is if an adc is killing a tank in 5 seconds. the rest of the team will probably half that and i would be right in saying that a malphite dies in 2-3 seconds.

Ackelope2 votes

I don't think that's unreasonable though. ADCs, as a price of having that dmg, can easily be killed in less than a second, so it's just a matter of who makes a mistake first, and how bad it is. Tanks can often recover from and stay in the fight for quite some time. ADCs don't have that option because they die instantly. I don't see what you're trying to argue, because everything you're saying sounds pretty damn reasonable.

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

yes but adcs get peeled for. you have to understand. its much easier to kill someone when they are melee.

Ackelope2 votes

Yes, I am fully aware of how massive an advantage being ranged is. Most ADCs tend to actually be statistically very weak champions, it's the range that allows them to be powerful. A mispositioned ADC can easily be taken out almost instantly, but one who plays properly and takes advantage of their range and kills the enemy team is positioning properly and probably deserves to be doing the damage they are doing. It's not a game of rock paper scissors something like assassin>adc>tank>assassin or some shit like that, every situation is often semi-unique, and I think that this issue appears far too often in complaints.

adidas4 votes

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yes but adcs get peeled for. you have to understand. its much easier to kill someone when they are melee.

Adcs get peeled for?

Last i checked i peel for my tank too when hes in trouble.... Supports arent strictly made for your adcs bud. If you're playing support and not saving anyone else you're doing your job fuckin wrong

especially if your adc has good positioning then sometimes you dont even need to worry about them. If you can give your nautilus a janna E then the enemy team cant just ignore a naut if they're being pushed back...

GrReaper966 votes

What came into my mind when i read the title:

http://imgur.com/a/uSHNI?nodirect

Ap Mid Burst4 votes

I honestly think a 6 item kog maw that has bork can kill a tank in 2-3 seconds

Darkwind4 votes

Nah dude, malph always dies in 2 seconds idk why, check my build I think it good, should be strong tank:

item 3089 item 3285 item 3041 item 3020 item 3001 item 3157

Snake Town5 votes

Do you have the mejai's fully stacked? That's really when he starts to get tanky.

Athenes Lulu1 votes

Who needs to tank when you can kill them off within seconds?

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