Has the balance team decided which champions do and don't need compensation for the Rylai's change? The community really wants to hear what is going to happen to champions that have been affected by this, for better or for worse.
Best princess EU18 voteshe said it on an other post
compensation
was on the strong side
we all know they don't give a shit about them
SweedishGunner9 votesGod Vlad needs some love.
The Rylais nerfs really hurt him. They tried to push his build towards a more AP focused path but right now the only NLR item he can realistically buy is Rabadons.
Also Visage is a must so even with Rabadons at full build you're probably only going to hit 500AP if that.
WoonStruck1 votesVisage is not a must lol. Its only a must mid if you're against a hard lane. Abyssal is better in most cases. Damage is what carries Vlad, not his sustain. His sustain is just a bonus.
You can't win a game through sustain. You can win it through damage. 10% more damage is absurd. With his ult and masteries, he gets 40% bonus damage.
SweedishGunner1 votesIsn't that his thematic though? A sustain Mage that gets right into the thick of the fight (5 man pools, tides of blood etc).
Pulling off stupid heals and running around the backline is what makes Vlad so much fun if you can ever get to that point.
Surely with Abyssal you get bursted down too hard if you try enter the fight?
WoonStruck1 votesVlad was not designed as a sustain mage.
His Q only healed enough to offset his W, E, and R costs.
W and R being % was too much, so they removed the cost from his ult. W is rarely used, so people got the idea that he was a drain tank due to his E costing so little and even amplifying healing.
When people think of Vlad, they think of 'drain tank' because of WotA, not Vlad's base kit. Anyone would realize that if they ever played him without WotA.
Now that WotA's healing is essentially included in his kit, the nail's in the coffin for that horrible design direction.
Yet, Vlad is still damage first and foremost. You can't win solely through sustain or Aatrox and Warwick would be considered much better than they are. They don't do damage like Vlad does, which is why Vlad continues to function despite being gutted repeatedly.
Damage is the key element of Vlad, not sustain, as you can tell with the tank build being nerfed; it hardly functions now. Why? Because sustain (the only other thing Vlad has) can't carry a team. Damage can.
Abyssal grants more MR, and replacing abyssal with SV only grants you ~400 (losing 10% HP for way more than 10% damage increase is worth) more HP. Healing is around the same for both builds, but full AP does WAY more damage.
SweedishGunner1 votesI don't play full tank Vlad, I just build Visage over Abyssal and everything else is an AP item (including DCap).
I guess I'll give Vlad a go with Abyssal over Visage if I ever play him in this patch. I still think healing for insane amounts is still incredibly fun however.
WoonStruck1 votesTrust me, you still heal for insane amounts with Abyssal. Difference is that you can 1 shot carries easily and chunk even tanks insanely hard with your only item gating being Zhonya's CD.
Over Innsmouth1 votesBasically this.
Over Innsmouth1 votesLudens.
Since the Rylais nerf, I've tried a new build.
20% scaling CDR along with that to hit that tasty, tasty 45%. The switch from SV to Abyssal was recommended by WoonStruck (thank you so much if you read this).
DMP + Ludens makes you more than fast enough, I take DMP for armour because Zhonyas is a shit item.
WoonStruck1 votesYou're likeing the abyssal switch then?
TBH, I don't ever have issues reaching my targets. I think Rylai's+Luden's+Deadman's is a bit overkill. Just use ghost one fight, flash the next, ghost the next, etc. Try to just split if you don't have one up. If you don't fall behind early, you'll likely be able to 1v2.
I've started flanking with him Eve style too; it feels very strong.
I don't feel like Zhonya's is a bad item, I just feel like its a bad rush. Zhonya's is an extremely important delay tool, IMO. Lets you get another pool, Q (empowered usually), or E. Let's you live long enough to get that Ult heal as well. It also makes you able to hit your mid-game much earlier grabbing its codex after abyssal and heading right into rylai's. Although, sometimes I rush Rylai's vs certain match-ups. I usually delay Zhonya's until I plan on diving/teamfighting a lot to force advantages.
Over Innsmouth1 votesYeah, it's a shit rush.
Without Visage, I feel like I need health from at least somewhere other than Rylais and Crimson Pact, so I took Deadmans. It's always been one of my favourite items, and it's saved me more than I can count with the movement it gives me.
Abyssal feels way better - I can't thank you enough for opening my eyes. If I have to rush it in lane to deal with an AP I can still trade, whereas Visage gives me no damage. On Ludens/Rylais/DMP being overkill, sometimes you need overkill. I like it anyway.
WoonStruck1 votesI like 1 shotting and shredding tanks more; I don't feel like I'm missing HP. I end up with nearly 4k HP still.
Try asking your support to buy Zeke's for you every once in a while if you end up trying the full AP build.
I always feel like I need more damage more than I ever feel like I need more tankiness mid-late game.
Unless I get cheesed early and fall far behind, I'm usually hard carrying games. I don't feel like you're capable of that if you sacrifice any damage, and you're still pretty damn tanky that way too. 100 MR, 125 armor, 3.5k+ HP. If you ever need the tankiness/tenacity, you can always go elixir of iron over sorcery.
KnightOfEloHell6 votesI can't do anything with Mord since the last patch
Ben Sharpio4 voteshes getting 10 movement speed calm down
ShadowParker2 votesSource?
Big Lincoln2 votes15 or no deal
Very Hard Engage4 votesi think veigar needs some rylais compensation if you know what i mean
NightmareAmazoX4 votesTaliyah and Azir were the only ones confirmed.
Supreme Senpai694 votesDid someone just go and downvote every comment by 1? Lmao salty mother fuckers in gameplay. I went around and fixed that, which basically gives em a free lifetime upvote since those don't get taken away by downvotes, so whoever downvoted just caused the opposite to happen. :)
Saianna2 votesyup, those are board trolls. It happend again.
Calabok2 votesBrand needs comp.
Troll for Trump3 votesRiot needs to get Brand out of support and back in mid.
The Brand mains(tend) to prefer in mid, and generally, no one likes facing him bot as "support" brand. Nor does he do the role "support" well. It's not like morg or karma, where they have some support-ish parts in their kit. It's along the lines of Nidalee; Shouldn't be a support. Lux shouldn't be there too, but I guess she was meant to be support-ish with the shield in her kit? Zyra also should be sent back mid.
Lintu Puck1 votesBrand support - when you want to really bully the enemy with high aoe damage and does have a stun in his kit. Morg and Karma as Supports - Roots, Shields, flat damage not as high in the early game as Brand, but can be bursty Nidalee - high damage/long range poke if you can spear well, and also has a heal in her kit she can use on herself or a nearby ally Lux - use to have Support as her secondary listed role before Riot came with with further divisions in classes and she is now listed as "Controller" as her secondary. She is similar to Morg in that she has a shield, root, and very high burst, but unlike Morg all of Lux's stuff is a skill shot, including the shield.
Saianna1 votesI still remember their sweet "compensation buffs" on Veigar.
Lintu Puck1 voteswe might have word by the end of the month, but I doubt we'll get anything concrete until next month comes around
SwiftKitten881 votes
doesnt give a damn about the slow nerf as she only used for the hp and ap..but whe needs another option that she can use for ap and HP
every other ap hp item isnt good with her
it is eithert gated by an active that makes it inefficient for her to buy 
or it is gated by a passive which she cant use effectively 
(no way to cc) and 
(nid is early game she donest have time to wait for it to scale, by then she will have missed her powerspike)
gave her tha ap she needed, the HP she need and even though the slow wasnt that great on her by herself, at least it helped in teamfights
Spoofghoul1 votesI really feel like 
could also use rylais compensation
It was one of those items you would buy on AP Sion
But now he feels really weak the ap nerf hurt
Sion already has weak ap ratio's
please buff the ap ratio's and add one to his ultimate
