a .4 bonus AD buff might seem huge...

Irelia Bot·Jul 2, 2016·30 votes·2,882 views

But it really is not in the case of Fiora on the PBE.

How big of a buff is this?

say you have 23 AD from a Doran blade and runes.

This means that every time lunge is used against an enemy at rank 1 it does .4* 23 = 9.2 so 9 more damage is done.

It is less and less damage with each rank of the ability and unless the Fiora is able to get a drastic amount of AD before rank 7 this buff is negotiable.

A level 7 Fiora maxing lunge with 60 bonus AD is only doing 6 more damage for the 4th rank of the ability.

Yes they are buffing Fiora.

No this is not going to make her broken.

54 Comments

BeeCuzJul 2, 201633 votes

https://s31.postimg.org/6kolrn3zv/photosynthesis.jpg

Reaper SorakaJul 2, 20166 votes

Photosynthetic* fix your meme geeeeez

Edit: Apparently people thought I was serious and didn't know the definition of photosynthesis/photosynthetic. Tough crowd.

SaiannaJul 3, 20164 votes

someone missed a joke..

Reaper SorakaJul 3, 20164 votes

Mine was just as much a joke as the original. Either case it was the wrong word. :\

lofi n chillhopJul 3, 20161 votes

your joke was that the joke went over your head. so of course the response is whoose. hehe

Tis a nice dayJul 3, 20164 votes

Whoosh

Reaper SorakaJul 3, 20165 votes

Indeed. you can read the other response I gave. Your reaction is exactly how I feel about you! haha

Tis a nice dayJul 3, 20163 votes

Ah, I see I was the one who whooshed.

67chromeJul 2, 20167 votes

This means that every time lunge is used against an enemy at rank 1 it does .4* 23 = 9.2 so 9 more damage is done.

I'm pretty sure 9.2 more damage is 9.2 more damage.

Especially with how easy it is to track decimal numbers, how many decimal numbers are present in Runes, and how armor and MR %damage reductions result in a lot of decimal numbers.

AtanchanJul 3, 20163 votes

On the flipside, I'm pretty sure the hud ceils the Health value, over flooring or rounding it - after all, those would result in the occasional unit living at 0 health. So if you're hit with 9.2 damage while you have 11 health, it'll effectively look like 9 damage since you'll be left at "2".

On the flip flipside, it's surprisingly common to truncate decimals for damage and health, likely because dealing with decimal health is not something most players want to do and just flooring, ceiling, or rounding the display could end up "lying" to the player, so why not truncate true damage and health in the first place?

... Actually, that wouldn't be "surprisingly" at all, since if the value in the tenths digit would be that big of a deal they could since bump up health and damage values by a digit place anyway and still keep the clean, true numbers.

SaltyKrackaJul 2, 20165 votes

On the other hand, giving Fiora more damage at early levels is just aaaaaaasking for problems.

Irelia BotJul 2, 20166 votes

You are salty about top lane champs that might kill you being viable.

Well that and you are salty

KnoyleJul 3, 20166 votes

Ooooooor...... they think Fiora is strong enough at early levels already given she can snowball pretty well. I mean it's a duelist in a 1v1 lane that usually gets ignored.

BagguetteJul 3, 20161 votes

They are buffing fiora? i main and her and she is STUPID strong.

EternvlJul 3, 20166 votes

You are stupid lol.

Irelia BotJul 3, 20165 votes

I simply see him posting angry stuff all the time.

So his name fits.

Lady HammerlockJul 3, 20164 votes

Me being an avid fiora player,her early game is already pretty good when done well,but right now she's losing match ups she SHOULD be winning with ease

And finally her Q does as much or more dmg then her auto attack at rank 1 which I'm so happy about

But i despise people who completely ignore the fact that Fiora has parry and still complain about her,DAMN IT PEOPLE TIME YOUR SPELLS PEOPLE WHAT THE FLYING FUCK

blfUvZ8YbuJul 2, 20162 votes

Fiora is already strong at competitive shortly skin buff.

Pool party Fiora lets buff Fiora.

Weiner the PoohJul 3, 20166 votes

Stop spamming with these shit posts, Jesus Christ.

Akali is SO HOTJul 3, 20162 votes

What if you're a pussy and start corrupting potion cuz you suck at Fiora like me.

Irelia BotJul 3, 20162 votes

Then you only get 6 more damage from this buff then 9.2

SaiannaJul 3, 20162 votes

This means that every time lunge is used against an enemy at rank 1 it does .4* 23 = 9.2 so 9 more damage is done.

I've seen champions being totally GUTED for far less.

Irelia BotJul 3, 20164 votes

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I've seen champions being totally GUTED by far less.

Was it on a ability with a 16 second cooldown?

Sire HippingtonJul 3, 20162 votes

6.4sec, unless you hit nothing at all which actually is a dificult feat to achive in lane. It's not a broken buff, but it's quite a difference in the first few levels, as it's really easy to frequently poke with Q.

AbyssphereJul 3, 20161 votes

e.g.?

DealthJul 3, 20162 votes

They are buffing her to get people to buy the pool party fiora skin

HauntJul 3, 20162 votes

you cant make her broken when she already still is

AstôlfoJul 3, 20161 votes

A D2 still thinking Fiora is broken. Meanwhile his team win is S3. Hm...

Irelia BotJul 3, 20161 votes

Fairly sure he just hates fighters since he is clearly an AD assassin player.

AstôlfoJul 3, 20161 votes

"they're broken because they can beat me" kappa

HauntJul 3, 20161 votes

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"they're broken because they can beat me" kappa

No it's more that I don't like looking at death recap (when it's actually working) and seeing almost 3/4 of my hp done in true damage, or even half. It just feels unfair to me. It's hard to itemize against it no matter what you're playing.

That and her q cd are honestly the only things I hate really. I feel it should have -bigger mana cost if it's going to have that low of a cool down. It's hard to peel her off because she's normally going a very beefy build, which makes it really frustrating.

So yea, don't put word in my mouth. I never said that.

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A D2 still thinking Fiora is broken. Meanwhile his team win is S3. Hm...

Also I don't see how this is relevant.

AstôlfoJul 4, 20161 votes

Just find it hilarious a D2 still thinks Fiora is broken.

ArakadiaJul 2, 20161 votes

Its an early game buff but its only bonus AD. Late game its exactly the same.

ErockandrollJul 3, 20161 votes

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Its an early game buff but its only bonus AD. Late game its exactly the same.

Well, Early game does play into late game.

Wasn't to long ago that riot moved the AS on Kog'maw, from his Q to his W, in order to give him an earlier power spike. And he pretty much went from unplayable, to freaking cancer. (and changed the whole bonus AS thing entirely afterword.)

Then again, Fiora is probably not the late game Giga carry that kog is, it's possible that the effect won't even be noticeable.

ArakadiaJul 3, 20161 votes

It wont actually number wise affect her, because late-mid game the scaling is exactly the same.

But yeah it could help her get a lead.

The Yetii RiderJul 2, 20161 votes

It's a very very significant buff if you max Q last.

Not sure you would ever want to do that, but it nearly doubles your Q damage from before if you do.

XeroKimoJul 3, 20163 votes

My question is why would you max Q last? It lowers the cooldown making it easier to reposition to hit your Vitals especially when ulting

The Yetii RiderJul 3, 20161 votes

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My question is why would you max Q last? It lowers the cooldown making it easier to reposition to hit your Vitals especially when ulting

More parries??

XeroKimoJul 3, 20161 votes

But that isn't that effective, 16 seconds at max level with 40% cdr that only drops it to 9.6, you won't really get a 2nd parry in a fight, if you planned on maxing parry first that's also not worth it.... I mean the old parry had some worth maxing by giving more AD and the CD was lower too back then.

Irelia BotJul 3, 20166 votes

I am talking about the only time in the game where this buff will really have any noticeable effect. The higher the rank of the ability the less effective the gains from the buff are until you get to the 5th rank in which it is identical to what it is currently.

RANGE: 400 COST: 20 / 25 / 30 / 35 / 40 MANA COOLDOWN: 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 / 8

PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 65 / 75 / 85 / 95 / 105 (+ 55 / 70 / 85 / 100 / 115% Bonus AD) changed to 65 / 75 / 85 / 95 / 105 (+ 95 / 100 / 105 / 110 / 115% Bonus AD).

So by the time you even have 20% CDR you will likely have this ability at rank 4 or 5 meaning the CDR really does little to nothing overall in the light of this buff.

XeroKimoJul 3, 20161 votes

Not to be rude, but the original comment that I replied to said that it's a buff to people who lvl Q last, and I'm wondering why would anyone do that, he said for more parrys, but leveling up parry max 2nd or first isn't even worth it. I might be missing the point on your reply, and a rioter did say it was to help fiora as they thought the nerfs they've done was too hard for her in the early game something like that

BagguetteJul 3, 20161 votes

WAIT ARE THEY REMOVING PERCENT MAX HEALTH DAMAGE!?!??! WHATS HAPPENING TO MY MAIN IM WORRIED! SOMEONE TELL ME ABOUT 6.14 FIORA D:

Irelia BotJul 3, 20161 votes

she is getting an effectively small buff to lunge

I do not expect this to break her especially since she is not preforming quite as well as she likely should currently.

BagguetteJul 3, 20161 votes

I was worried!

But she isn't doing well because a lot of people are not playing her well in team fights. I think i do a good job as her with my 60 percent ranked win rate :p

LatetotheRaceJul 3, 20161 votes

I find quite a few champions just laugh at her. Malphite Galio Olaf Irelia Illaoi There's probably a good reason I haven't seen her but once in the last 3-4 months.

Toplane FencerJul 3, 20161 votes

Most of those are pretty okay matchups. Quinn, Teemo and Pantheon are the really hard ones.

BagguetteJul 3, 20161 votes

As a fiora main i'm telling you she is like syndra or orianna, there are no bad matchups for her, you just have to be skilled enough to predict and outplay your enemy. out of all the champions listed, only irelia can be slight trouble for fiora because she is really strong atm, Malphite is a really easy lane and its easy to keep his shield down. Pantheon is a really hard lane and so is quin, Teemo is easy as hell cause as soon as you engage just hit them once or twice then use your W to parry the blind (because they usually throw it out mid combo) and you win the trade flawlessly.

I rarely, RARELY loose lane as fiora.