Again, Lux needs her E's mana cost reduced. But again, Riot's gonna ignore this...

darkdill··23 votes·1,903 views

Lux's E at level 5 = 130 mana, 10 second cooldown, 240 base damage, 60% AP ratio.

TOO WEAK!

Lower the mana cost and it'll be excusable. Right now, Lux has absolutely no choice in terms of what she has to get for first items: mana regeneration. Some other mages can rush Liandry or Deathcap first, but not Lux. 2 rotations and she's guaranteed to be OOM.

...Now watch as Riot completely ignores this, as they always do...

44 Comments

OperationDEEZ15 votes

Someone else stated this before but I'll say it again. You get a lot out of Lux's E, you get somewhat low damage, yes, but you also get:

  • An AOE slow

  • Vision

  • And it applies your passive, which you can apply with an auto and/or lichbane.

darkdill5 votes

Those do not compensate enough for what other mages get out of their waveclear spells. And realistically, Lux will only get to proc her passive off 4 targets max when using her E to waveclear.

Lux cannot even kill ranged minions with one E, so she's forced to laser minions a lot, which is ill-advised.

Faith Breaker1 votes

Just wanting to bounce some of my personal thoughts about Lux, as a player that really enjoys using Pokemon in a MOBA. Alot of other mages have more mana affordable and effective wave clear spells /options. This is true. However Lux offers something in her Final Spark that not quite any other champion can, let alone mages. It is quite long range, and despite having an indicator, during the cast time, the execution is instant. It's uses are so versatile it kind of over shadows every thing else she has. Mejai's Soulstealer is still in my opinion an extremly powerful item for Lux, for the simple reason she can Final Spark every team fight and garuntee herself assists at extreme long range = safety.

I've been able to 1 v 1 a Yi before as Lux (not just some scrub Yi either) because of her snare which is a form of CC Yi isn't immune to during his ult, and with her w sheild and a zonhya I was able to do it because Lux a form of CC that wasn't just a slow. It's something in her favor to mention, Morg's q lasts longer but Lux's is easier to land and can hit 2 enemies. Plus, as far as wave clear goes, at max CDR, you can, and literally should, be using Lux's ult every single time it's off of cool down, otherwise you're actually wasting it.

You should try to wave clear from the jungle in other lanes while Roaming with Lux, trust me you will get enemies and allies alike going "Lol nice Ult Lux!" Then about 30s later you pop em with another Final Spark and they take you seriously. And as they run away , 30s after your 2nd Spark you snipe em from within their base as they retreat and the joke's not funny anymore. Playing Lux takes a good amount of knowing when to play passive and zone the enemy away and when to pressure and push your lead. Staying too defensive will cost you on missed kills assists and objective control. Playing too aggressive can cause you to lose whatever lead you have, your Soulstealer stacks, and just put you behind.

If Lux could use anything I'd like some MS. +5 to her base Movement Speed would make me happy. Or some extra AA Range.

darkdill2 votes

Yeah, well, it doesn't help when the popular Champions right now are manaless assassins who make Lux cry. Katarina, Zed, Yasuo, etc. All of them make Lux's safety worthless since they can close too fast on her, dodge her skillshots, and instantly kill her with no way for her to counterplay.

Faith Breaker1 votes

I place my e (when I use it) on myself vs assasin's to punish them for getting close to me. I use Lux's after the enemy has expended their mobility option and they are in my face. It's hard. I agree. But you can out play and e into a q+r ~ e + aa + ignite ~ /l .

iamleburk1 votes

I'm confused what this has to do with using Pokemon in a MOBA

Faith Breaker1 votes

At Level 6, Lux has the chance to learn Hyper Beam.

iamleburk2 votes

i prefer zyra's vine whip and fiddle's giga drain. Aritcuno and pikachu are just given's though. EDIT: now that i think about it, kennen needs a pikachu skin

Faith Breaker1 votes

Rammus used Rollout. But it MISSED! Nami used SURF! Gragas used BODY SLAM. Xin Zao used QUICK ATTACK. Sion used MEAN LOOK. Katarina used FLASH.

iamleburk1 votes

everyone uses flash!! and how could i miss Ahri's charm? and Leblanc's double team? annie used ember! Sivir used protect! Alistair uses headbutt! And league has a lot of poison types

Faith Breaker1 votes

Katarina's Shunpo is arguably the fast/most instant blink. Plus, her FLASH would be more effective than any almost anyone elses (Because cleavage). Shaco uses DT too. Kha Zix is Scyther. There is really a looooooot more.

iamleburk1 votes

shunpo is the same as all the other assassin blinks though (at least talons, akali's, and diana's) atleast in the speed sense. So is shyvana countered by freljord champs?

Faith Breaker1 votes

You are absolutely missing the tits, bro

iamleburk1 votes

TITS?! WHERE!?

Faith Breaker1 votes

Katarina used FLASH

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

lmao that confused me as well

Remlap12237 votes

You get a lot out of Lux's E, you get somewhat low damage, yes, but you also get:

  • An AOE slow
  • Vision
  • And it applies your passive, which you can apply with an auto and/or lichbane.

Meanwhile: Gragas Q all that plus

  • Chargable for extra magic damage and slow

  • Better base slow

  • Better passive proc

  • Less mana

  • Higher base damage and scales better in the late game

Did I also mention it's less mana? Because it's less mana.

SpongebobIsLife1 votes

lol but u can never clear a minion wave with it, nor should you be building full ap gragas in the first place.

Remlap12231 votes

lol but u can never reliably clear a minion wave with it

Fixed that for you. Even building tanky, Graggy can clear minion waves if he charges his Q. The problem is that with new Summoner's Rift with how bad the pathing of minions are, and creep blocking being an extremely greater issue, he can never reliably keep the minions in a position to stay in the explosion radius. While Lux's E's got some issues, because you can detonate it instantly for full damage, you can reliably clear minion waves at even early levels due to her passive (I'm calling boost on people saying her E can't clear minion waves, I can almost take out melee minions as support Lux, which has about 400-600 less AP than mid lane Lux.)

Namnoms5 votes

Lux Es are almost impossible to dodge, so of course they cost a lot and don't do massive damage.

darkdill6 votes

"Impossible to dodge" my ass. Katarina, Zed, Yasuo, etc., can dodge it easily.

Namnoms12 votes

You can dodge skillshots with mobility skills? Mind blown

Bresn1 votes

Thanks for the laugh.

PineappleTuesday4 votes

"I love how my E Costs more mana than my ult!" -Every Lux Player Ever

No, but seriously, I complain about this every time I play her, and she's my favorite champion.

DeadlyQuestion4 votes

Am I the only one who doesn't have a problem when they play Lux? I mean, not all of you here I guess, some of you are defending her kit. Yeah, her E costs a lot of mana and doesn't nuke players who take damage from it, but almost everything else she can do does provide that nuke at a fraction of the mana cost, especially after you get Lich Bane.

Is the complaining because her E is easier to land and you don't like that the easier-to-land spell isn't her highest damage? Is it because you think mana cost should directly relate to damage dealt? Because that's absurd. Her E provides more function than most abilities in the game do, but let me scale down that statement just to make it more palatable: even if you disagree with that initial assumption, you can't disagree that her E provides more functions than any of her other abilities COMBINED. What do her other abilities have going for her? Passive proc, stun, shield, range, and damage. Even if her E did 0 damage on detonation, it's still a ward, has a long duration, is an intimidating obstacle or trap, is a slow, is an aoe, and procs her passive. Let's even completely omit that it can be detonated prematurely, and remember we're already omitting that it does any damage, that's still 6 features compared to the 5 total sum of features from the rest of her skills. Speaking as a Lux player, I say the mana cost and damage on her E is fine: after the laning phase stop using it to do damage, only use it to proc your passive when you can both catch more than two people in it and can R them immediately, and instead start using it as the utility bomb that it is.

Start using it to slow your prey before nailing them with your stun or R. Start using it as emergency obstacle between walls in the jungle or otherwise when you're being chased (I might not be afraid of the slow, but I don't want a passive+Lich Bane+AA or passive+R to nuke me) Start using it as an emergency ward when you're out of them or worried the precious seconds you'd spend walking into the jungle would better be spent doing damage to that tower.

It might not be WHY it has a high mana cost, but it still makes sense. To me, at least.

JacctheInsomniac2 votes

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SpongebobIsLife1 votes

eh shes fine. that nerf was necessary, it was too ez to all in someone at lvl 2.

JacctheInsomniac1 votes

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SpongebobIsLife1 votes

her mana pool is still better than most mid laners, and in most cases you aren't using your e and w that often for poke. Yes it hit her hard, but not as hard as mages. Have you tried playing Orianna or Lux? Also, they upgraded Grail, mana problems aren't too much of an issue now, and I find I still kill people at 6 whenever I play syndra.

JacctheInsomniac1 votes

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SpongebobIsLife1 votes

I think you are really over exaggerating her mana problems. I will admit that she has some but they aren't nearly as bad as you make them out to be. I really don't run into to many problems with her unless I max w second. Also, you are still forgetting about the recently buffed chalice/grail.

Starlighte2 votes

Agreed Lux needs some help. I think the issue was the changes to mana regen at the start of the season. She needs some help in her base stats. Better scaling regen, some help in the health department, and Lux should be fine. The champion isn't oppressive at any stage of the game, no reason she should have such a tough laning phase so that she can be somewhere between Xerath range and ADC range? Not worth. (especially with the power that is loaded into her passive.)

Remlap12231 votes

Honestly, even if we lowered the mana scaling to 50 / 60 / 70 / 80 / 90, it'd STILL feel weak. Honestly, I think we just need to buff it. Obviously the mana costs are still ridiculously oppressive at all stages of the game (especially late game) but I think a slow buff is a good start.

Maximum Zilean1 votes

Agreed, This is really all Lux needs to be a good pick again. This is coming from someone who likes playing Lux ocasionally as support. (It still works somewhat)

jjookkeerr1 votes

iumo she need mana reduction and cd reduction on her E

DanofDemacia1 votes

I knew the mana cost was high nd the damage was weak but it didnt hit me until i was facing a cassopiea yesterday all she had to do was get roa and my poke did nothing to her if i wanted to get te extra damage off with my passive she hit me like a million times. The damage and cost are just so bad.

Ariaflux1 votes

You guys are going to ruin Lux by asking for unnecessary number buffs. The only 2 "buffs" she needs is instant cast W and instant detonation on E.

thinking man1 votes

that's because you can use the ult every single wave late-game

FantasySniper1 votes

Tons of range, tons of slow, and in general a ton of set-up makes it a formidable tool that makes the cost pretty reasonable.

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

Trust me. You really don't want Lux to be a strong pick.

darkdill1 votes

At what point in any game is a Lux oppressive?

Poptart Evelynn1 votes

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At what point in any game is a Lux oppressive?

Do you remember lux around her release time? Oh man... Nightmares lmao.

darkdill1 votes

Only because players at that time were dumb and didn't know that Katarina hard-countered Lux.

Now we have a lot of Champions who can just blink to dodge her skillshots and make her utterly useless. Or you could always have a Jarvan, who completely obliterates her if she even tries to farm with E.

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