Riot has spent all season gradually reducing damage

chipndip1·Jun 10, 2018·9 votes·2,498 views

When do we stop complaining about damage being "too high"?

I mean, at the end of the day, if you play a bunch of carries and assassins, you're gonna fucking die if you get hit by an ult and a stray skill shot. If you really DON'T wanna die in 1.4 seconds, play something like a tank or a tanky juggernaut.

There's tons of variables that go into who does how much damage and how fast they do it, but it's really easy to reliably manipulate how much damage you take at once...but people generally want to play carries in solo queue so why are you complaining about dying fast? Carries die fast. Always.

28 Comments

PhDs NutsJun 10, 20187 votes

Everyone is shifting to playing carries in solo queue because anyone that builds defense without a powerful defensive steroid in their kit gets melted anyway. The only purpose a defensive item feels like it serves anymore is for a juggernaut or bruiser to have an extra second to get all their damage off and just heal back up with Triumph in time for another shield or heal from somewhere.

The only tank I play anymore is Malphite because he has a huge armor steroid and doesn't sacrifice damage to take advantage of it.

chipndip1Jun 10, 20183 votes

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Everyone is shifting to playing carries in solo queue because anyone that builds defense without a powerful defensive steroid in their kit gets melted anyway. The only purpose a defensive item feels like it serves anymore is for a juggernaut or bruiser to have an extra second to get all their damage off and just heal back up with Triumph in time for another shield or heal from somewhere.

Playing carries in solo queue isn't a "shift". It's the default. You can't complain about damage being high when it's damage dealer vs. damage dealer. You both deal damage and you both DON'T build defensive stats. The hell else is supposed to happen?

The only tank I play anymore is Malphite because he has a huge armor steroid and doesn't sacrifice damage to take advantage of it.

That's fine. Don't complain if you die super fast.

PhDs NutsJun 10, 20181 votes

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That's fine. Don't complain if you die super fast.

You didn't understand what I said. Malphite still deals damage while building tank because of his armor scaling. That's why he's the only tank I play.

This tank build has me doing the most damage in the game anyway: item 3047 item 3068 item 3025 item 3075 item 3001 item 3143

chipndip1Jun 10, 20181 votes

That's fine, so when you aren't a tank, don't complain if you die super fast.

Pika FoxJun 10, 20183 votes

GA? You mean Get Attack?

TrikzterzArmaJun 10, 20182 votes

FYI. 6 Champs are getting their damage buffed while only 1 is getting it nerfed next patch

chipndip1Jun 10, 20181 votes

One patch isn't "the grand scheme of things" so what's the point of this post?

Clapper of AssesJun 10, 20182 votes

idk about you, but playing tank feels like shit this patch and i main tanks. Conquere completely fuks you since it reset once they auto you and are melee, Kaisa deletes tanks with her fuking aids build, every champion early game kicks your ass, and once you start building tanky they still do more damage. The only viable tanks are drain tanks which r complete cancer to play against like warwick, mundo, singed, vlad. Lets not even start with crits doing 15% true damage now. So no tanks are shit with the exception of the 4 listed below. If wanna play something tanky go udyr, or shyvana which can tank a little and do damage.

ZephyrDrakeJun 10, 20181 votes

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idk about you, but playing tank feels like shit this patch and i main tanks. Conquere completely fuks you since it reset once they auto you and are melee, Kaisa deletes tanks with her fuking aids build, every champion early game kicks your ass, and once you start building tanky they still do more damage. The only viable tanks are drain tanks which r complete cancer to play against like warwick, mundo, singed, vlad. Lets not even start with crits doing 15% true damage now. So no tanks are shit with the exception of the 4 listed below. If wanna play something tanky go udyr, or shyvana which can tank a little and do damage.

not a single one of those champions you mentioned is anywhere near being a tank... I think you have to reevaluate what a tank is if you think Vladimir is a tank in any way

Clapper of AssesJun 10, 20181 votes

aight u right vlad is not a tank, i mean he sure feels like tank, but since the rest are garbage atm he is doing a pretty good job at tanking. Mundo is a tank, so is signed, warwick is diver but he is build full tank with one ad item, and like vlad tanks better than half the roster.

ZephyrDrakeJun 10, 20181 votes

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aight u right vlad is not a tank, i mean he sure feels like tank, but since the rest are garbage atm he is doing a pretty good job at tanking. Mundo is a tank, so is signed, warwick is diver but he is build full tank with one ad item, and like vlad tanks better than half the roster.

do you know what a tank even is? Mundo is not a tank, he has no CC outside of a slow. Singed is not a tank at all. Once again please reevaluate what a tank is or actually look what a tank is in this game. Tanks offer a lot of CC plus taking longer to kill than the rest of the champion roster but as a result they deal relatively low damage. Tanks have ways to lock people down. Mundo literally runs you over and beats you in the head nonstop till you die or he dies/runs away till his ult fully heals him.

I can build Sona with nothing but tank items. That doesn't make her a tank just someone who can take damage

Clapper of AssesJun 10, 20181 votes

Bro go to the client, champions, role, tanks tell me u dont see signed. Then go in google type in Dr. Mundo, Role :Tank/Fighter. THIS IS WHAT RIOTS SAYS!!@!! Some champs r more than one role

ZephyrDrakeJun 10, 20181 votes

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Bro go to the client, champions, role, tanks tell me u dont see signed. Then go in google type in Dr. Mundo, Role :Tank/Fighter. THIS IS WHAT RIOTS SAYS!!@!! Some champs r more than one role

it also says that Teemo is an ADC... I do not care what it says on an outdated client. Mundo is not a tank at all. He doesn't play like one or behave like one. Once again please reevaluate what a tank is since you have no idea what one is

ElishevaJun 10, 20182 votes

item 3095 gradually item 3031 reducing damage lol

chipndip1Jun 10, 20181 votes

...how do those increase damage when one is a reduced damage crit and the other doesn't even do anything by itself and reduces your damage output to squishy targets?

Akali is SO HOTJun 11, 20181 votes

The crit changes reduced damage against low armor targets and slightly increased the damage against higher armor targets. Stormrazer only starts out with a 1.6 modifier and you either need two other zeal items to get it to the 2 multiple or a zeal item and IE which is a ton of gold. The crit update definitely reduced overall damage. Don't know how people aren't getting this.

Bob the ToastrJun 10, 20181 votes

Well Master Yi is strong right now and thanks to Conquerer everyone has true damage so playing a tank doesn't mean you are hard to kill. I hardly call adding conquerer lowering damage.

chipndip1Jun 10, 20181 votes

Yi being strong would give cause to play more cc...which I'm pretty sure tanks do. Personally, I just ban that fucker. I'm taking zero chances with that stupid "funneling" cheese.

xxSayJun 10, 20181 votes

Building tank in conqueror meta.

chipndip1Jun 10, 20181 votes

We say a lot of shit about the """""META""""" on these boards, but that doesn't change the fact that both the boards and Reddit over-exaggerate way too much. Plenty of types of champs using plenty of key stone variations are showing up in this meta. Why are you even trying to convince anyone that conqueror is kingpin?

ZephyrDrakeJun 10, 20181 votes

I mean somehow people think that going 10/0/0 and building no defensive items whatsoever will make their champion magically take no damage from enemy attacks. Or that somehow the guy who is 0/6/0 but have kept up in CS and in lvls so they are still getting their items should not be allowed to kill in them in any scenario possible

VizulixJun 10, 20181 votes

Except we get melted anyway

In my most recent Rammus game, in one of the last team fights, the enemy Vayne got badly separated from her team (between mid and top inhib turret while her team was fighting between mid and bot inhib turrets). I engaged onto her and got straight melted. 3400 damage onto a 700 armor Rammus in under 6 seconds..... This Vayne was 5/8/6 and wasn't doing too hot. She had only a last whisper and an infinity edge in way of armor penetration, yet still melted a 700 armor Rammus.

Playing tanks does not help.

chipndip1Jun 10, 20181 votes

It's a Vayne. She already deals with tanks by just being Vayne.
She bought even more anti-tank items.
Given she had Whisper and IE, I imagine she was on 3 or more items.
Judging by the claim of you being "melted", I imagine you didn't have much back-up.

There are many variables that go into how much damage you take, and how much damage others deal. Having a tank doesn't mean you play like an idiot and get rewarded, but it does mean you can work the game's tempo to your favor better than if you didn't have a tank.

VizulixJun 10, 20181 votes

She had only those two as anti tank items.

Yes I did not have backup but that does not change the fact that a 700 armor Rammus can get straight melted by a non full build Vayne with only 2 anti tank items.

I charged in alone to zone the Vayne from her team because I believed doing so was our best chance of winning the fight.

Akali is SO HOTJun 11, 20181 votes

It looks like the only time she killed you was at 24 minutes and she had already completed Bork and RFC while you had Tabi, Cinderhulk, Thornmail, and a Chain Vest. That is far from 700 armor and a Vayne with Bork and RFC is easily enough to kill a Rammus like that.

VizulixJun 11, 20181 votes

Ok, my bad. I was fighting Vayne who was melting me. I tried running away but got skillshot by Karma Q and died. Vayne did 99% of the damage in that kill though, with Karma just ksing her.

The KayJun 11, 20181 votes

Lemme explain you why... Since runes reforged, everybody lost resistances (armor, MR and HP) from old runes while, at the same time, everyone got damage from the new runes. Back then, people had scaling runes, which helped throughout the game or even flat runes to provide early defense.

So, back then, if you didnt build resistances, you could still put up to some damage. Now even supports can deal quite some damage to tanky targets unless they build MR (since most sups are magic-damage-based). Take Leona, for instance, she was tanky early game, back then, now she's squish as everyone else.

Edit: just adding a couple things: %HP based damage everywhere. All the items are now granting more stats than they used to. It's a + 5 or +10 ad here.. + 20 ap there.. There you go.. tons of damage everywhere. It's nothing new, happened over time, it's just somehow more apparent now.