Tanks don't count as supports (unless they have some kind of support ability).

JamesTheMage17·Feb 6, 2017·1 votes·699 views

Unless a tank has some kind of support ability, they should not be played as a support. The enemies can just ignore you and attack your adc, then focus you.

Examples of Tanks with support abilities:

Passive

Heal

Even frikkin with his speed boost

Examples of Tanks without support abilities who are still played as support anyway:

where the hell is this guy coming from

throwback does NOT count as a support ability

its like people just give up on trying to get top lane and go support

Please stop. Having cc does not make someone a good support.

Mages who have legitimate support:

true sight

speed boost, shield

healing, sight, attack boost

30 Comments

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 6, 20172 votes

Nautilus ??

JamesTheMage17Feb 6, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UThoz55d,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-02-06T04:45:57.618+0000)

??

He has a pull. That pretty much counts. That's why I didn't put blitz on the no-list. Other things like knockups, slows, or other cc don't count as supporting.

BreakuFeb 6, 20172 votes

CC is the main thing a support does though

CancerBasedGodFeb 6, 20171 votes

Well that or shields and heals.

LordGeovanniFeb 6, 20171 votes

except they gimp both so it cant compete with barrier or something like orinna while building support you have to go full ap to do anything with those.

CancerBasedGodFeb 6, 20171 votes

Not really... Taric for one doesn't even scale his shield off of AP, and his heals build off his health as well as HP. Janna shield is strong and the AD boost can be awesome, Karma shield gives speed sooo, awesome.

LordGeovanniFeb 7, 20171 votes

Janna's sheild isnt strong its put on champions that are never really in danger so its usually amplyfying damage for the full duration. same with karmas unless they are building full ap mage. karma's sheild does not amplify attack speed Lulu's sheild was recently buffed to do that. Taric whole kit was gimped to accommodate an easy to counter telegraphed invunrability. they made his e aoe..... and lessened his damage lowered the amount of people he could share armor with and linked it with a shitty shield. tarics sheild isnt good except on hyper health tanks and we all know how the community acts if you could actually use him and put a sheild on a hyper health tank from CotC except that courage wasted its uptime by only being able to proc on hard cc so by time the enemy was free from the cc you only had one second of sheild left. gimped tarics heal -heals for less than old tarics heal at full charge while being 3 times the cooldown and costing more mana than before and is a mana drain spell before you get 3 charges but you need to spam taric q in his combo to get any use out of him. taric lost 2 damage abilties that also had utility to buff allies and debuff enemies that was core to taric's combo. his new passive takes 2 hits to do what it did in 1 hit before and kills any attack speed item on him (i ran wits end on taric to debuff enemies and make it easier for 1 myself and 2 my mages to do their job) not only are defensive items bad and constantly getting nerfs support items are even worse and taric is expected to build them real tank item tanks and bruisers that have to build tank or they get melted still get melted in 3--5 adc auto attacks not even counting mages with their 3 second spell spam what is taric supposed to do with gimped items and gimped spell besides run in while useing ult and the enemy will just run in the opposite direction at the same speed or faster until its over because random movement speed built into already ranged carry top tier damage item. they dont even have to change their build path its just in their build path. Old taric was about rotateing your combo new taric is about running in and praying your enemy doesnt know what to do when you press e and r.

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 6, 20174 votes

so you really like being wrong in your post ?

might wanna rethink that

JamesTheMage17Feb 6, 20171 votes

[{quoted}](name=MrFawknSunshine ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=UThoz55d,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2017-02-06T04:52:44.563+0000)

so you really like being wrong in your post ?

might wanna rethink that

????

oSEXYPLATYPUSoFeb 6, 20171 votes

you dont understand ?

TheLastShadow45Feb 6, 20172 votes

Utility is what defines a support. CC(and it doesn't matter what kind) is part of that utility.

CancerBasedGodFeb 6, 20171 votes

Okay I will take your divine opinion on what is and isn't support as fact. So Janna W is not a support ability? It's for soloing Baron right?

LordGeovanniFeb 6, 20171 votes

the pull does the same fucntion as singed's fling. ps. leonas passive isnt a support ability as they gimp her personal spell damage for that passive damage its a stupid gimmick to keep her out of solo lanes. by haveing some of her damage locked behind allies its not that she brings something that allies need its that she needs allies around to be effiecent. if you dont count cc as supporting abilites. which it should be but every other adc assassin and mage has a stronger slow root or displacement than a support on a nuke spell with a lower cooldown that comparable support spells that get both damage and cooldowns nerfed because they provide cc or some other part of their kit has utility.

boo910Feb 6, 20172 votes

Nasus

why not

you get tank

and harass with e and w

JamesTheMage17Feb 6, 20171 votes

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why not

you get tank

and harass with e and w

Armor shred. I'd count it, but not the slowing or the tankiness. Plain cc does not count.

CrettFeb 6, 20171 votes

Why doesn't it?

CancerBasedGodFeb 6, 20171 votes

Yeah well guess what you didn't make Lol and are not the king of it. You don't get to decide what counts based off your whim.

JamesTheMage17Feb 6, 20171 votes

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Yeah well guess what you didn't make Lol and are not the king of it. You don't get to decide what counts based off your whim.

This is an opinion post. I'm not telling people what to do. Can you find excactly where I said that I'm the best at league in this post?

CancerBasedGodFeb 6, 20171 votes

It's indicated by this type of post. If this was just your opinion and you didn't expect or want anyone to listen, you wouldn't have any reason to post this here.

Reaper SorakaFeb 6, 20172 votes

The best crowd control is making the enemy respawn at their fountain.

MissFortune Watch your mouth kid, or you'll find yourself respawning at home.

CrettFeb 6, 20171 votes

Velkoz Veigar Why are these monsters viable supports

JamesTheMage17Feb 6, 20171 votes

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Why are these monsters viable supports

They're viable but they're not supports. That's for sure.

Chaos Milk TeaFeb 6, 20171 votes

sometimes your top is Nautilus your jg is Ivern and you just need more damage.

Chaos Milk TeaFeb 6, 20171 votes

The way I see it, there are two types of tanks TYPE A: Shyvana DrMundo Illaoi TYPE B: Nautilus Maokai Sion

A tank is a champion with a lot of effective hp who demands the enemy team's attention, and therefore their mana and cool downs. Tank type A demands attention because they deal so much damage. Tank type B demands attention because they will CC your ass seven ways to sunday. Type A is reliant on CC from team mates like mages and supports to hold down foes and peel for the adc. Type B is reliant on their team to kill the carries they catch and are presonally responsible for peeling for the adcs. If your team needs a tank, consider how much hard cc you currently have and whether you need more, or a champion who can take advantage of the CC you already have.

Yeah, there are other types of tanks who live in between (usually innitators like Zac and Amumu ) but you end up asking yourself the same cc/damage questions.

ShaolinToiletFeb 6, 20171 votes

Mundo not a tank

Chaos Milk TeaFeb 6, 20171 votes

If a champion carries the front line by building mostly hp and resistances and is extremely difficult to kill even when cc'd and focused, they certainly aren't a mage.

Now to be clear, I would also call a juggernaut a tank. I'd call most front line damage sponges tanks.

ShaolinToiletFeb 6, 20171 votes

Well I'm just telling you according to riot Mundo is not a tank

LordGeovanniFeb 6, 20171 votes

you forgot Caitlyn Draven Jinx class of tanks because with any type of lifesteal they become drain tanks with more effective hp than any tank