RiP Le blanc

Poske·Apr 21, 2018·2 votes·914 views

You were my favorite champion before rework. You were my favorite champion after rework. But the latest changes were a last straw

Riot managed to ruin yet another champion for me

12 Comments

Who Fed RuApr 21, 20185 votes

This is Leblanc before rework

Craft ZeppelinApr 21, 20182 votes

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This is Leblanc before rework

WIth slight balances to damage and cooldowns which make her a bit fair.

Who Fed RuApr 21, 20182 votes

ya but literally the same kit and playstyle so idk what OP tries to tell us here

PoskeApr 21, 20184 votes

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This is Leblanc before rework

No she isnt

This is a nerfed version of old le blanc

This Le blanc :

Has delay on W (OLD le blanc didnt not that there is much wrong with it)
Has delay. Because you have to wait for a chain to proc due to damage backloading
Has delay and worse worse worst case scenario because R2 is backloaded
Has higher ultimate cooldown
nerfed QE combo compared to EQ
WRQE AND WQRE combos with which she functioned in lategame teamfights quite a lot are nerfed

Overall if you are a serious player who wants to reach challenger tehre is no reason to pick Le blanc. From season 2 - 3 to this Day I could never say that

Where is a problem bassicly?

Riot promised a partial revert (which I didnt agree with as soon as I saw what they are doing)

THIS IS NOT A PARTIAL REVERT THIS IS REVERT GUTTING

Azubk manipulated MASSES by term partial revert. Should have called it revert gutting

Overall revert made her a worse champion both satisfaction wise and power wise. I dont know a single le blanc player who is satisfied with a rework

The only players who are happy about a revert are Gunblade le blancs and you dont wonna know what that means

Who Fed RuApr 21, 20181 votes

The delay on the W is needed for counterplay reason. It was added to Zed too once and he still is the same champion.

Higher ultimate CD is compensated by all the CDR that is in the game rn plus ultimate hat.

If she is too weak they will buff her, they just don't want to pull off another Ornn .

PoskeApr 21, 20181 votes

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The delay on the W is needed for counterplay reason.

I know why its here

It was added to too once and he still is the same champion.

Oh another champion Riot ruined for me with shadow position replacements y hurt me more

Higher ultimate CD is compensated by all the CDR that is in the game rn plus ultimate hat.

Well with ultimate hat its at 15 sec cd at last level with either 30/40% cdr not sure. But that just means riot is forcing le blanc on ultimate hat Granted I dont personaly mind her ulti cooldown just stating the facts. atleast its not on 120 sec like it was on pbe

If she is too weak they will buff her, they just don't want to pull off another .

Alright they ll buff her. I know they ll buff her

Here is an issue. They ll not buff her in a correct way. I made countless threads on what to do with Le blanc

Who Fed RuApr 21, 20181 votes

I mean, I have 1.3M points on Zed on my main and aren't bothered at all about the delay.

You just have to adapt to it and find new ways and combos to use the champ without making the enemy feel like they got bullshitted, like it was without the delay. Trust me, there are quite many. I'm taking the extra W range any day over the removal of his delay. Same goes for LB. The insta back to W was just unfair and frustrating, but the champions kit has so many different combos that it makes up for it.

Forcing champs on some runes isn't a problem for me as long as it isn't the whole tree. Some Runes just synergize too well with some champions, so you have to balance them around that.

They just didn't go through with the stat-wise full revert cause old LB was reworked for a reason, but it's way better than her reworked form with her clunky ult.

PoskeApr 21, 20181 votes

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I mean, I have 1.3M points on Zed on my main and aren't bothered at all about the delay.

Impressive now where do I seem bothered by delay can you pin point it?

You just have to adapt to it and find new ways and combos to use the champ without making the enemy feel like they got bullshitted, like it was without the delay. Trust me, there are quite many. I'm taking the extra W range any day over the removal of his delay. Same goes for LB. The insta back to W was just unfair and frustrating, but the champions kit has so many different combos that it makes up for it.

Already know all of them.. after all top 10 le blanc world consistently.. she is to unsatisfying and avkward at current iteration

Forcing champs on some runes isn't a problem for me as long as it isn't the whole tree. Some Runes just synergize too well with some champions, so you have to balance them around that.

They just didn't go through with the stat-wise full revert cause old LB was reworked for a reason, but it's way better than her reworked form with her clunky ult.

Yes the whole pressing 2 buttom is hard thingy

Look mate fine remove that but why is clone on Mimic gone? why is her stupid archaic passive none can use properly back

Who Fed RuApr 21, 20181 votes

Impressive now where do I seem bothered by delay can you pin point it?

You didn't directly say it, I just thought you meant that the delay was one of the reasons the champ is ruined for you cause you answered that to the point when I mentioned that it was added to Zed.

Already know all of them.. after all top 10 le blanc world consistently.. she is to unsatisfying and avkward at current iteratio

Haven't played her yet, I just saw Faker playing her yet. He destroyed with her, but then again, it's Faker. But I didn't see how she is so different from old lb playstyle wise. I honestly don't know what Riot tries to do with her from now, but they will probably balance her in small steps from now.

Yes the whole pressing 2 buttom is hard thingy Look mate fine remove that but why is clone on Mimic gone? why is her stupid archaic passive none can use properly back

Pressing 2 buttons still needs way longer than pressing one button, especially when comboing. Her mimic was just some random way to try to fulfill her thematic, but in the end, it felt like it's just there for the lulz if you actually make your enemy panic because of it. I'm not saying you couldn't do some cool plays with it in some situations, but these just happened way too rarely to make it worth keeping.

I believe her old passive is back for the sake to make it a full revert, but also I couldn't come up with a better one rn.

PoskeApr 22, 20181 votes

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You didn't directly say it, I just thought you meant that the delay was one of the reasons the champ is ruined for you cause you answered that to the point when I mentioned that it was added to Zed.

Fair enough

Haven't played her yet, I just saw Faker playing her yet. He destroyed with her, but then again, it's Faker.

OH so we are including subpar le blanc players in discussion. Look I understand Faker is one of the best midlaners, but his le blanc is extremly amaterish.. Show me a video ll point out all the mistakes. What you see as destroying with le blanc is probably missplaying constantly.

Faker a player who specificly liked buying lichbane on Ahri. But didnt build it ON Le BLANC who could double proc it due to clone.. Look just dont mention any le blanc players you ll tilt me. So faker sucked at reworked le blanc? No he was miss comboing with old le blanc to I dont HAve time to talk about subpar le blanc players

But I didn't see how she is so different from old lb playstyle wise.

She cant function in teamfights due to WRQE, WQRE gutting. Her QE combo is in generaly weaker She can no longer waveclear without WR except for first item spike due to minion stats scalling

there are some other mini nerfs but this are the most notable ones. 0 compensation

I honestly don't know what Riot tries to do with her from now, but they will probably balance her in small steps from now.

And this is where problem lies. Yes they ll buff her base damage / Ratio. THAT is not what she needs.

Look mate fine remove that but why is clone on Mimic gone? why is her stupid archaic passive none can use properly back

Pressing 2 buttons still needs way longer than pressing one button, especially when comboing.

You are pressing them with 2 different fingers you are literaly losing on 0.01 second speed. Look I personaly dont mind only her last ability being mimicable but she lost stuff she shouldnt have. Infact i was oposed to that because I knew it ll increase her safety due to RW away

Her mimic was just some random way to try to fulfill her thematic, but in the end, it felt like it's just there for the lulz if you actually make your enemy panic because of it. I'm not saying you couldn't do some cool plays with it in some situations, but these just happened way too rarely to make it worth keeping.

Yes way to rarely if you are watching fake reggardless i wasnt even TALKING ABOUT SHADOW OF A ROSE ALSO WHICH IS HER RR.

I WAS TALKING ABOUT HER MIMIC CLONE.. that thing shouldnt be gone, her old passive shouldnt be back. and she should have a way to waveclear past level 9-11

Curently Riot is asking for Le blanc players to stay in E range to finish of an enemy due to damage backloading yet she is forced to use E AS HER last ability specially in high range combos without reliable tools to do so

Gunblade le blanc traitors couldnt stand the delay and the fact that they though gunblade is good .... WHAT IF I TOLD YOU SHE IS MORE DELAYED NOW? YES she is... sad actually

I believe her old passive is back for the sake to make it a full revert, but also I couldn't come up with a better one rn.

I did but Riot didnt bother to check boards

Poop JellyApr 21, 20181 votes

I don't follow u... I thought this leblanc is the old one before rework, just a little shift in power here & there to make sure she doesn't extremely frustrate opponents while also takes more considerations into decision making. She definitely cannot blindly Q + W without trading back some damage, though she may still win the trade. Her assassination is stronger, which I'm a little neutral because I kinda liked her 'delayed' rework but it's good to have old leblanc back as well.

PoskeApr 21, 20181 votes

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I don't follow u... I thought this leblanc is the old one before rework, just a little shift in power here & there to make sure she doesn't extremely frustrate opponents while also takes more considerations into decision making. She definitely cannot blindly Q + W without trading back some damage, though she may still win the trade. Her assassination is stronger, which I'm a little neutral because I kinda liked her 'delayed' rework but it's good to have old leblanc back as well.

Her assassination is in no way shape form universe galaxy stronger

Absolutely incomparable if you could play reworked le blanc correctly

But that included double procing item 3145 item 3057 / item 3100 and knowing what combo is correct in whcih situation not to mention speed smootness etc