went to try a fratrimogs build on talon and noticed atma's is gone!
why was it removed from SR?
why should AP builds have an item that has (virtually) free armor, wheras AD's now have to build randuins/sunfire/frozen heart for a build with any armor?
does riot plan on filling this hole in item selection in any way?
meaningful choices, remember? where is the balanced approach option for AD vs AD?
poopoo peepee4 votesBecause it was a terrible item? By ad, if you mean an adc wanted armor with ad, he would not find it in atma's. Lets say the average adc has 1700 health at lv 18.
That's about 20 ad. Not worth it. Andi f you're a tanky top laner who is ad, then you should get a randuins or frozen heart.
maikokk1 votesmuch prefered the option of building frozen/warmogs/atmas against a comp leaning toward AD with 1 or 2 magic damage dealers
now i have to build Maw to compensate for that pesky midlaner that still does damage to me because i have no room for warmogs without sacrificing too much damage... since i have to build randuins!
Angry Monster3 votesAtma was a trap item. It was inefficient since the nerf in season 3.
Your build has anything but meaningful choices. Your trying to build tank damage(where is the choice/trade off).
If you build a all defensive stats you should not get free AD damage with it. Low skill players like you think that this was a good choice which is why it was removed from the game. When Atams was viable it was a must buy. Now only low skill player picked it up and was presenting a false choice.
Talamare1 votesAtma was a trap item. It was inefficient since the nerf in season 3.
Your build has anything but meaningful choices. Your trying to build tank damage(where is the choice/trade off).
If you build a all defensive stats you should not get free AD damage with it. Low skill players like you think that this was a good choice which is why it was removed from the game. When Atams was viable it was a must buy. Now only low skill player picked it up and was presenting a false choice.
It wasn't a trap option on a very select choice of champions
maikokk2 votesit was actually gold efficient on any champion above level 13, and quite useful all the way to full build for bruisers who wanted to go on the tankier side. you are still sacrificing a bit of damage by committing to a build that synergized well with atmas, but it allowed for a middle road to be tread between tank and carry for your mid game power spike. as it is, your options for a second and third item as an AD bruiser against a mostly AD team are pure damage or pure tank.
you could choose a middle road against AP's with maw...
and an AP can build against AD's without sacrificing much damage at all with zhonyas
where is that item for AD vs AD?
not saying impaler was the best item, it just happened to be the ONLY item that filled that choice niche
Angry Monster1 votesActually for what you paid for it it was almost never gold efficient. Which is why riot nerfed to the point it was at. There are maybe 3 champs that could use it optimally and the real question is should they get to do damage for building pure tank?
The answer is no.
You think it was filling a niche and it wasnt. Its just making a tank race happen when optimal.
maikokk1 votesit wasn't filling the niche very well, but it was the only damn thing in the niche.
also... full tank builds didn't go well with atmas anyways. if you leave your crit chance at 15% why have crit at all? in that case yes its a waste of money and no longer efficient on anyone but a dead sion.
however, with triforce and IE on one side, warmogs on the other side and a frozen mallot, you have a little armor, a moderate amount of health, and a respectable amount of damage.
its stats were, indisputably, efficient for anyone that could make use of the crit and the armor. (unless you rushed it like a moron)
Angry Monster1 votesyour not even getting full use out of Atams at that point. That build is a trap. Like you have to be joking to use a shit build like that. You are not getting enough AR to actually matter. All that health and no AR is just asking a bork to melt you.
You have no CDR on this build so procing Tri becomes questionable and you do not have enough AR to charge the enemy team. You are literally hoping that you snowball into victory with a build like that.
You have given the prefect example of why Riot removed it. That build is so viable it was never used by decent players. Choices like that build are what keeps players in low silver and bronze.
TheFallenShaw1 votesit was actually gold efficient on any champion above level 13, and quite useful all the way to full build for bruisers who wanted to go on the tankier side. you are still sacrificing a bit of damage by committing to a build that synergized well with atmas, but it allowed for a middle road to be tread between tank and carry for your mid game power spike. as it is, your options for a second and third item as an AD bruiser against a mostly AD team are pure damage or pure tank.
you could choose a middle road against AP's with maw...
and an AP can build against AD's without sacrificing much damage at all with zhonyas
where is that item for AD vs AD?
not saying impaler was the best item, it just happened to be the ONLY item that filled that choice niche
Gold efficient maybe, but never Build efficient. I tried it on paper with many different builds/champions I could never find one where another items simply didn't do the job better. I mean sure if I had 10 items slots and could get enough gold maybe but Im never gonna play a game where i have 10 items slots and 20k gold either. Hell if i make it to the 20k gold marker i feel my team and myself are playing the game wrong. Because we should of ended it by then.
Hullabaloo9072 votesI really wanted more time to try it on the new sion
Captain Aishi1 votesriot declared that having AD and armor on the same item was toxic to toplane snowballing so they nerfed the item to not be viable and now just deleted it
they said that a little before they changed phage to not slow anymore because it was toxic to toplane snowballing once atmas was no longer a viable item
then they had to nerf sunfire cape because it's damage aura with tankiness was toxic to toplane snowballing...
notice a pattern yet?
Sightless661 votesThese ad/armor was not the problem. The ad for health was. They have said that adding another ad/armor item is not something they are opposed to.
Major Sparkles1 votesAtmas will only be missed on, 
. RIP