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Jayce Does Not Need Nerfs

ItsOrval·Nov 17, 2016·7 votes·989 views

As a Jayce main for 9 months now, and playing almost nothing but Jayce for all those 9 months, I can tell you, its not his fault.

The REAL problem is the items. Jayce can build whatever armor pen item he wants, and it will go good with his kit. His damage is big due to his Q+E mainly. His W is useless hammer mode besides getting mana back from AAs, and his W on his Cannon does normal damage. But, when you have a Jayce able to build , then his damage will be HUGE on squishies.

Another problem, is that its YOUR fault. YOU dont take advantage of brush, YOU dont engage him when his mana is low, YOU chose a champ against him that he counters easily (Like ). When Jayce even has 60% of his mana gone, engage him. He will Q+E you, then E you away, which would make him have no mana. His damage is shit until he gets armor penetration, but once he is out of mana, he cant do anything against you besides auto attack you with his .66% Attack Speed. He has NO sustain.

Fixing this problem = Learn Jayce yourself to know his counter playstyle. Jayce sucks against champs with lots of sustain, and tanky damage (like AP & ). Another fix would be nerfing Lethality, doing that will make his damage normal instead of "insane" to some of you. The last fix would be buffing . Back when Jayce players bought this first, he was considered a dumpster champ that nobody wants to play (which is why I mained him, I like infamous champs like ).

This is just my 2 cents, but with 9 months of experience with him and over 500k mastery points with Jayce, I think I know what his problem is.

22 Comments

Mr Broken WingsNov 17, 20165 votes

jayce is busted, end of the story. I mean jayce was okayish before the ult ratio changes and suddendly after that change he oneshots people all game long with 1 combo? Yeah it obviously isnt jayces fault hehe xd

The AggressorNov 17, 20164 votes

You're making excuses for yourself for being bad against Jayce players if you really think its his R passive.

Mr Broken WingsNov 17, 20162 votes

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You're making excuses for yourself for being bad against Jayce players if you really think its his R passive.

His playrate AND winrate increased. I mean if the items are the problem why are other champions with the same items worse then him? Yeah because he as a champion itself is stronger. I dont know how that is hard to grasp.

The AggressorNov 17, 20164 votes

His playrate AND winrate increased.

OP already addressed this, it increased because people havent seen this champion in over a year because nobody played him. Now they are seeing him more and more and dont know his counters.

I mean if the items are the problem why are other champions with the same items worse then him? Yeah because he as a champion itself is stronger.

Jayce works good with those items because he has a huge range on his Q+E to hit you with. Meanwhile champs like Riven have to actually get up to your face to hit you. Also Jayce can just Q onto you in hammer, meaning he gets a boost to you instead of someone like Riven who has to E, Q, Q, Q to finally reach you.

I dont know how that is hard to grasp.

Mr Broken WingsNov 17, 20161 votes

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OP already addressed this, it increased because people havent seen this champion in over a year because nobody played him. Now they are seeing him more and more and dont know his counters.

So you mean because MORE players ( --> less experienced jayce placers) picked him up when he started getting fotm after the buff means he should GAIN winrate and its fine like this?And because....they see him more....they know less about him and dont know how to counter him?I dont even.....you must be trolling

Jayce works good with those items because he has a huge range on his Q+E to hit you with. Meanwhile champs like Riven have to actually get up to your face to hit you. Also Jayce can just Q onto you in hammer, meaning he gets a boost to you instead of someone like Riven who has to E, Q, Q, Q to finally reach you.

So if jayce can do that to you, shouldnt he be less rewarded for his BETTER kit ( yeah you basically just wrote that his kit is generally better then from melees with equal build path)? Ofc he should, so he gets in line with the other champions. I mean he is without a doubt broken right now and your explaination why his winrate increased is kinda bullshit.

ItsOrvalNov 17, 20162 votes

So you mean because MORE players ( --> less experienced jayce placers) picked him up when he started getting fotm after the buff means he should GAIN winrate and its fine like this?And because....they see him more....they know less about him and dont know how to counter him?I dont even.....you must be trolling

He's right, he just did not spell it out word for word.

So you mean because MORE players ( --> less experienced jayce placers) picked him up when he started getting fotm after the buff means he should GAIN winrate and its fine like this?

Jayce only takes about 4 games to understand his kit, just like a lot of champions. Not hard to sky rocket a champion that is easy to use.

And because....they see him more....they know less about him and dont know how to counter him?I dont even.....you must be trolling

People are seeing him 'more' than what they used to is what I think he was trying to say. Back then before LCS, ive only seen one player pick Jayce. Never have I met someone else to play him before that in my games. Today, you dont see Jayce in every game. Only about 3/10 games do I find a Jayce in my games. And hes hardly banned as well. Another thing to put on that, is people dont do their research, they just go with "Well I main Gnar, so I am gonna play him against Jayce". No shit youre gonna lose lane. Play someone like Poppy .

ChalizardNov 17, 20161 votes

He used to do so before buffs too so your argument is invalid. He is just too tanky for his damage and poke because of black cleaver imo.

DragonSheaNov 17, 20163 votes

yeah Heard his weakness is high mana cost. So forcing him to waste his skillshots will drain him so you can go in for the kill.

ItsOrvalNov 17, 20164 votes

Yup, and if he wasted his mana at any level 1-5, then hes gonna have a hard time. Engaging him early game making him waste as much mana as he can while he does barely any damage = an easy win.

NahuiNov 17, 20161 votes

Except his kit has the advantage all throughout the game. Early game sure, he has mana problems. You can't engage him in minions because he will blows yours apart with his aoe and you're stuck with his minions and him.

If you're alone, he still has more damage and spells in his kit than you do on any champion. Sure, go in, burn his mana. He will burn your health bar. As an AD champ, he doesn't -need- mana to do damage. Plus his melee autos restore mana. Mana shouldn't be an issue for him unless he is refuses to have spells off cool down.

Jayce has been powerful since his 6th skill point buff. He was a monster at worlds and still is. It isn't itemization, it's his kit. He's a fighter but does the damage of an assassin. There's no argument for him being an assassin. His kit wasn't designed for it, he was never meant to be an assassin. He's a fighter, but he one shots many at an early stage of the game, or damn near close.

Jayce will get nerfs. There's nothing jayce mains can do about it. He has raging success in worlds. There's no defending that.

ItsOrvalNov 17, 20161 votes

Tanks counter Jayce Jayce counters bruisers Assassins counter Jayce Jayce counters squishies

learn

NahuiNov 17, 20161 votes

Since when do assassins counter Jayce, exactly?

ItsOrvalNov 17, 20161 votes

Rengar? Kha? Nocturne? Shaco?

They delete him in seconds unless they are behind.

NahuiNov 17, 20161 votes

A full glass cannon, maybe. But any sort of tanky item and he will obliterate them.

Also, definitely not Shaco. There's no world where Shaco defeats Jayce 1v1 on fair terms. Kha'zix NEEDS isolation or he won't dent Jayce. Rengar has the only chance, but Jayce easily disengages with his knockback, and Nocturne isn't quite an assassin He's played as a bruiser, and still lacks against Jayce. Assassins definitely don't counter Jayce.

You also only listed AD assassins. Any reason you omitted AP, or was hexdrinker/edge of night a factor in that decision?

ItsOrvalNov 17, 20161 votes

AP Assassins that kill jayce ez

Katarina Leblanc Fizz

Champs that counter Jayce in general:

Chogath Aatrox Fiora Graves Irelia JarvanIV Fizz Kennen Leblanc LeeSin Malphite Katarina Maokai MasterYi Nasus Olaf Nidalee Nautilus Pantheon Poppy Quinn Shaco Singed Udyr Veigar Vladimir MonkeyKing XinZhao

ChalizardNov 18, 20161 votes

No that's actually bullshit, if you know how to play Jayce you will destroy kennen, vlad, Lebronze, fizz, veigar. Also most of them is just average against jayce, like fiora, wukong, katarina, Aatrox and Olaf only if they have some kills or a Little adventage can really counter you And xin only in jungle.

NahuiNov 20, 20161 votes

AP champions that counter Jayce: None Why? item 3156 item 3814

Most of everything you cited was a tank or an AP champ. Tanks do counter him in that he can't light them up in 2 seconds or your money back.

BzRazorNov 17, 20162 votes

All the jayce mains trying to defend their broken champions lol

ChalizardNov 17, 20161 votes

Im in the same situation as you. I like infamous (or at least not that popular) champions and I main jayce for a quite long time but I have to disagree, what is right is that armor pene makes him as crazy as he is now and there are many ways to outplay him but it is often extremly hard to do so if you don't main him aspecially when he is not casual Player.

He also has really high skill ceiling but the problem is that you don't have to get his full potential to be really strong. Champions considered hard (believe me or not but he used to be considered so) shouldn't be strong in hands of newbies and jayce often seems to do so.

Also if it would be only about one item it would be fine but if champion is too strong because of 6 items then it is problem with champion not with items.

He is not the most op champion right now even though he is really powerful, imo they should at least revert his E mana cost to make him quite more mana reliant as he used to be and change black cleaver to make him completly fine.

To sum up he is frustrating to play against, he is kinda op now but he is not the worst. He should be as strong as he is now in good hands but not in unexeperienced ones and mostly I agree with you but it's not that simple.

ItsOrvalNov 17, 20161 votes

Jayce can build whatever armor pen item he wants, and it will go good with his kit.

Also if it would be only about one item it would be fine but if champion is too strong because of 6 items then it is problem with champion not with items.

Want to know what those 5 items have in common, they all have lethalty/ignore armor in them. Which is what my point what

BeatzBoyFTWNov 17, 20161 votes

I won't say he's Op, but just damn annoying. As a melee champ, Jayce mains has the nerves to go Ranged, AA me off, and was too committed in poking that he literally walked past the minion wave just to brush me off to my own tower. The nerve with these damn Jayce players, r00d...

ItsOrvalNov 17, 20161 votes

I will admit that he is annoying lol. But if hes just autoing you, you need to engage him so he casts abilities on you, he will run out of mana in a heartbeat beens he doesnt build tear. Also use brush to your advantage. Push his tower if youre a bruiser and you know where the enemy jungler is. Jayce is shit farming low health minions under tower because of his low attack speed. So he would have to use his abilities to kill some of the minions, making him lose lots of mana.

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