that base ad nerf isnt enough for graves

LatoyaFromTheBX·Oct 3, 2018·9 votes·3,671 views

thoughts?

19 Comments

AirKingNeoOct 3, 20186 votes

Base AD nerf hits his clear speed huge. You don't understand the game if you can't realize that.

Plus the Dark Harvest nerfs also affect him.

TheSingularityOct 4, 20182 votes

He needs his monster knock back removed.

Hitting his clear speed is pointless if he's never low enough to be forced to B or low enough to invade. It's an unfair tool no other ranged champion has access to, why should he? He gets a silly amount of armor anyway

AirKingNeoOct 5, 20182 votes

that would gut his clear though.

TheSingularityOct 5, 20181 votes

Yeah, and it should. He already gains an obscene amount of armor, has a gapcloser to kite with and has AOE built into every auto attack.

So my question to you, why shouldn't Jhin Kalista Karthus Kindred Lissandra Lucian Orianna Velkoz Vayne not have this then? I can jungle with all of them, and I don't have anywhere near the same toolset as Graves. And no where near the damage in the early stages. They all have less CC vs monsters, most have less kiting vs monsters, less spammable AOE and no armor steroid.

Or perhaps because his first clear would suck we should buff my class of champions? Y'know, because their first clears already suck. Zac Sejuani Leona Nautilus TahmKench Ornn Braum Malphite Alistar . Their first clears suck beyond reckoning. They don't have the damage, the free beef of graves. They never match his clear speed or objective control and are team dependent. Yeah, they get more CC, but they trade 4 downsides, for one upside. Meanwhile in comparison graves has 1 downside, less CC compared to a tank. So let's give all of them armor steroids and a micro stun vs monsters every AA. Fair is fair right?

So, why does graves NEED! it? Why should graves have no effective weaknesses to exploit? He does everything every other jungler can, but better. You can't invade him because he's always 90%+ HP and will outduel you. He gets good ganks, strong dueling, fast clear, strong teamfight AOE, a strong CC spell, safe/healthy clears, mobility, tank steroids, obscene life steal synergy and an execution ult. His downside? Short range? But he has his dash, and is in the top 5 movement speed categories, faster than half the league roster then he has his ranged slow field. Not much of a weakness now?

His first clear should suck, because he needs a weakpoint. Should we make him feel weak and puny period and crush his abilities? Or just his clears so you actually have to try to not get hit and then I can invade you? Graves doesn't get to be the best at everything, no one should

AirKingNeoOct 5, 20182 votes

ok? that doesn't say how you'd compensate for his clear being fucked with completely?

nor proves why he should have a shit ass clear.

TheSingularityOct 6, 20181 votes

It displays that his clear will be fine even without it. Becuase everyone else can get by just fine without it.

He has more than enough tools. Losing one won't destroy him. He still has range, he still has high dmg aoe (faster clears means he gets hit less), his dash and his armor steroid.

Will it hurt his clear? Obviously. Will it destroy him and send him from S to F tier? No

XueamOct 3, 20183 votes

Nerf has Base AD, nerf his bonus armor he gets from his e, nerf his W slow, and nerf his ult cooldown.

Problem solved.

JumpinJellyFish1Oct 4, 20182 votes

Graves item 3070

JackMcSnipeyzOct 4, 20183 votes

Graves auto attacks are pellets, each pellet scales with his AD ratio, less AD at the start equals slower clear times, and lower AA damage for each pellet hit.

RαyOct 4, 20181 votes

It's a good start! Let's see how it goes. At least they are finally touching that braindead freelo champ :)

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Graves auto attacks are pellets, each pellet scales with his AD ratio, less AD at the start equals slower clear times, and lower AA damage for each pellet hit.

Diamond just keeps getting further out of reach, huh? Yikes.

JackMcSnipeyzOct 4, 20182 votes

Watch out boys, D5 is here to get salty because i downvoted his thread once lol Now that's a real "Yikes"

RαyOct 4, 20181 votes

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Watch out boys, D5 is here to get salty because i downvoted his thread once lol Now that's a real "Yikes"

Woah, the mid Plat dude shittalking the D5. That's a new one.

"Easy, partner." Graves

JackMcSnipeyzOct 4, 20183 votes

Realise i wasnt shit talking you, while you were the one who went out of his way to downvote and talk smack about rank for some reason, as if that has anything to do with what i said. No idea why i triggered you so hard you went out of your way to insult me when i didnt provoke you.

Grow up, you're acting pathetic.

RαyOct 4, 20181 votes

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Realise i wasnt shit talking you, while you were the one who went out of his way to downvote and talk smack about rank for some reason, as if that has anything to do with what i said. No idea why i triggered you so hard you went out of your way to insult me when i didnt provoke you.

Grow up, you're acting pathetic.

In what way is mentioning D5 with obvious sarcasm not shittalking?

You were the one following me around after throwing a tantrum in another thread because you play Graves ADC and thought he doesn't deserve nerfs. Something about "OUH SHIT OP, YOU HIT ME REAL GOOD". Telling others to grow up while acting like a complete child won't get you anywhere.

See ya, have a nice day!

JackMcSnipeyzOct 4, 20182 votes

Yea, when you act high and mighty shit talking plat, while you're scraping D5, i aint gonna take you seriously.

The only one throwing a tantrum here is you following me and going out of your way to talk shit, i never followed or gave the slightest shit about you, i have no idea what comment you're talking about but you must have been hit pretty hard by it if you still go around looking to reply to my comments to just be toxic, so like i said, grow up, i have no beef you, you can go on with the rest of your day feeling safe by the fact that i dont give any shit about you. Thanks

CIaymanOct 3, 20182 votes

It's a start

boricCentaur1Oct 4, 20182 votes

They should just kill him like he is just unhealthy as a jg and he just boring since when he is easy to play and when he is good he is top tier.

ElkingtonOct 4, 20181 votes

Nerfing base AD is actually kind of a big deal (generally speaking), but he has bonus AD scaling and steroids that make up for it, plus he builds mostly offensive items anyway. It slightly nerfs his early game dominance, but he'll still scale well and snowball off of one kill. If they really wanted to destroy him, they would also nerf his W, E, and R with cooldown/mana cost increases like they did with Trundle. Fortunately for him and his players, he's an adc (and somewhat popular at that) so Riot will never nerf him that hard, and even if they did for some reason he would be compensated within a month.