Assassins and ADCS

LatoyaFromTheBX·Jan 22, 2018·27 votes·1,380 views

As an Assassin main i feel like every assassin is getting nerfed constantly meanwhile adcs are getting over buffed

Riot i know youre full team of ADC mains but us assassins cant put out a full rotation without an adc 2 shotting with just 3 items by the 15 min mark (a little exaggerated)

ADCS have been extremely overbearing since the ardent censor meta and the buffs to crit items yet nothing has been done to fix this
maybe reverting the Item costs? maybe that would help alot.

36 Comments

SymbolicFearJan 23, 201814 votes

An AD Assassin main.... who is complaining about their targets being able to kill them.... really.... item 3147 This item needs a nerf cause Talon, Zed, and Kha are so ridiculous they one shot people the second this item is built, so I dont wanna hear how THREE items makes things hard for you. I hate bot lane, I never play ADC, but AD Assassins need to be gutted like a damn fish so it actually takes skill to win with them again.

LatoyaFromTheBXJan 23, 201811 votes

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An AD Assassin main.... who is complaining about their targets being able to kill them.... really.... This item needs a nerf cause Talon, Zed, and Kha are so ridiculous they one shot people the second this item is built, so I dont wanna hear how THREE items makes things hard for you. I hate bot lane, I never play ADC, but AD Assassins need to be gutted like a damn fish so it actually takes skill to win with them again.

Thing is i dont play ad assassins i play AP Assassins really no reason to build duskblade on a ekko or a kassadin

ZedUsanGovosJan 23, 20186 votes

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Thing is i dont play ad assassins i play AP Assassins really no reason to build duskblade on a ekko or a kassadin

Nah man. Don't you know? Every assassin main has to build DBlade now. Even if they're playing Fizz. Especially if they're playing Fizz. It's just an ez win for them. :^)

ShablagooJan 23, 201810 votes

And the reason ad assassins have db is because they wouldnt be able to kill adc otherwise, till they rework almost all assassins to remove delays but add conditional dmg we will have db.

SymbolicFearJan 23, 20183 votes

Well it is most certainly overtuned for its purpose.

PokladnicaZlaJan 23, 20183 votes

Or we could just nerf ADCs, instead of making another class cancerous to face? Why is your answer to make another class broken when we could just nerf the already broken class?

Chembaron YamadaJan 23, 20181 votes

What kind of conditional damage would you imagine for assassins?

ShablagooJan 23, 20182 votes

Kha'zix, if db didn't exist he would be and tbh is the most balanced assassin. If you are not isolated most of his dmg is lowered, the counterplay is simple group. He is also a slippery assassin, however if he gets into teamfights he is squishy enough to be blown up. And because of this his teamfights are alot weaker, well should be. As of rn he is broken because he can stack his passive and db. If they made assassins around the model of kha'zix he would most would be balanced. Katarina is an example too however she is powerful so I dont think anything I say will get to ppl.

DKM BismarckJan 23, 20184 votes

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An AD Assassin main.... who is complaining about their targets being able to kill them.... really.... This item needs a nerf cause Talon, Zed, and Kha are so ridiculous they one shot people the second this item is built, so I dont wanna hear how THREE items makes things hard for you. I hate bot lane, I never play ADC, but AD Assassins need to be gutted like a damn fish so it actually takes skill to win with them again.

haHAAA Talon 49.2% winrate worldwide btw and Zed has a 48% winrate Rengar doesn't feel amazing either, but his winrate is decent aD aSsAsSiNs tAkE nO sKiLl Fuck outta here with shit like stopwatch, relic, fleet, overheal etc it takes so much more skill to succeed with an assassin than it takes with any other class right now and you want any part of them nerfed because you can't play around a powerspike? Duskblade complaints are so overdone now it's hilarious. If it's so op why aren't there a bunch of duskblade users with extremely high winrates and why is the only one succeeding in proplay, kha?

ChaddyFantomeJan 23, 20184 votes

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haHAAA Talon 49.2% winrate worldwide btw and Zed has a 48% winrate Rengar doesn't feel amazing either, but his winrate is decent aD aSsAsSiNs tAkE nO sKiLl Fuck outta here with shit like stopwatch, relic, fleet, overheal etc it takes so much more skill to succeed with an assassin than it takes with any other class right now and you want any part of them nerfed because you can't play around a powerspike? Duskblade complaints are so overdone now it's hilarious. If it's so op why aren't there a bunch of duskblade users with extremely high winrates and why is the only one succeeding in proplay, kha?

this man spittin' truth.

bbQsauçeJan 23, 20182 votes

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HungryAngry2SPPJan 23, 20181 votes

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Bronze 4 balance statements guys.

Seriously low elo guys have a hard on hate for Zed i don't understand why, he's in the worst state he's ever been in. This meta is the worst i've played as a Zed main. Free stopwatch, exhaust, tanks everywhere, targons ADC... Even LL Stylish stopped playing him because of how garbage he is now.

If you low elo guys took the time to just learn to play against him... but who am i kidding right..

Becouse: He is cancerous, insane poke range, really hard to gank (oh, en enemy, let's just W=distance of 2-3 flash) or to kill, good roaming empowered by duskblade (disables wards) and the yolo ultimate, but not so yolo. What he usually do it trying to do as much dmg as possible, leave with 10%, and get get kill while being kilometers away from danger. How can you defend from him? Have an ally near you and prais god you ll be able to kill him before he kills you, or just let him kill you, and let the ally that was camping him at the R shadow position, finish your job. But you know, mid laners don't have an an ass worshipping braindead Janna to shield you for 1/4hp. "Learn to play against him" It the dumbest thing one could say. You can become better fighting a Zed, but it doesnt mean this zed will stay on the same level. In fact most of the zeds i ve met are one trick ponies, that do well, no matter what, even if i know how to fight them, know his cooldowns, how much dmg will his passive do to minions, but he still will manage to do very well, becouse he has probably faces your champ, with a better adversary than you, from which he learned how to fight it.

SymbolicFearJan 24, 20182 votes

Zed is a single target assassin, even though I do really hate AD Assassins at this point, Zed in my opinion does need a buff, and I dont even play the guy much. Duskblade itself needs the damage proc lowered, but thats only because of Talon and Kha, those champion need the nerfs because of their over simplicity that prevents much actual counterplay.

HungryAngry2SPPJan 24, 20182 votes

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Zed is a single target assassin, even though I do really hate AD Assassins at this point, Zed in my opinion does need a buff, and I dont even play the guy much. Duskblade itself needs the damage proc lowered, but thats only because of Talon and Kha, those champion need the nerfs because of their over simplicity that prevents much actual counterplay.

RIP duskblade Garen :'(

LatoyaFromTheBXJan 24, 20182 votes

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Becouse: He is cancerous, insane poke range, really hard to gank (oh, en enemy, let's just W=distance of 2-3 flash) or to kill, good roaming empowered by duskblade (disables wards) and the yolo ultimate, but not so yolo. What he usually do it trying to do as much dmg as possible, leave with 10%, and get get kill while being kilometers away from danger. How can you defend from him? Have an ally near you and prais god you ll be able to kill him before he kills you, or just let him kill you, and let the ally that was camping him at the R shadow position, finish your job. But you know, mid laners don't have an an ass worshipping braindead Janna to shield you for 1/4hp. "Learn to play against him" It the dumbest thing one could say. You can become better fighting a Zed, but it doesnt mean this zed will stay on the same level. In fact most of the zeds i ve met are one trick ponies, that do well, no matter what, even if i know how to fight them, know his cooldowns, how much dmg will his passive do to minions, but he still will manage to do very well, becouse he has probably faces your champ, with a better adversary than you, from which he learned how to fight it.

you do know Zed is garbage right now even LL stylish stopped playing him because of how bad of a state hes in Because "League of stopwatches" and Shields from supports and Targons for days

HungryAngry2SPPJan 24, 20181 votes

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you do know Zed is garbage right now even LL stylish stopped playing him because of how bad of a state hes in Because "League of stopwatches" and Shields from supports and Targons for days

He may be garbage, but is still cancerous. Who cares if this LL stylish stooped playing him, it's his own problem, not the champ's. Stopwatch. Can be used once. Znohya has a 120s cooldown, meanwhile a zed can ult twice. Just like any assassin Targon is shit. Shields. 200hp shield on an adc with 1500HP will definetly save him.

SymbolicFearJan 24, 20182 votes

Zed isn't really an issue, he truly is in a poor state atm. He has decent to good early game but falls off fairly hard and fast. He needs something done to keep him up when he gets that lead. But honestly, Talon and Kha are the really true offenders of Lethality abuse.

SymbolicFearJan 24, 20182 votes

Also, I don't really play much ranked, past few season's I just played placements and didn't care enough to keep it up, first time I am actually doing something to climb is this season and I still take my time getting around to it.

VesemirJan 23, 20184 votes

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An AD Assassin main.... who is complaining about their targets being able to kill them.... really.... This item needs a nerf cause Talon, Zed, and Kha are so ridiculous they one shot people the second this item is built, so I dont wanna hear how THREE items makes things hard for you. I hate bot lane, I never play ADC, but AD Assassins need to be gutted like a damn fish so it actually takes skill to win with them again.

Without that duskblade we will get 3 shotted by adcs. I am an assassin main aswell. As long as adcs stay this way so should the duskblade.

ChaddyFantomeJan 23, 20182 votes

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Without that duskblade we will get 3 shotted by adcs. I am an assassin main aswell. As long as adcs stay this way so should the duskblade.

Duskblade isn't even enough right now, lmao.

Craft ZeppelinJan 23, 201812 votes

Basically as an assassin now, you have a number of scenarios.

You kill the adc.
You fail. The adc lives on, and kills your team or you pray to your team to finish your job.
You fail. And get killed by the turret mode adc.
Hell cares. You just ult their frontliner so your carrying adc can have some leg room.
Balls, I'll just bully the mage.

ChaddyFantomeJan 23, 20181 votes

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Basically as an assassin now, you have a number of scenarios.

You kill the adc.

You fail. The adc lives on, and kills your team or you pray to your team to finish your job.

You fail. And get killed by the turret mode adc.

Hell cares. You just ult their frontliner so your carrying adc can have some leg room.

Balls, I'll just bully the mage.

Cry. Their mage has from Runes and upgraded it to with an extra 15% CD on it.

MrHaZeYoJan 22, 20188 votes

while I do agree with you, but if a ADC has those 3 items at 15mins, they should burst you out in two hits, as that would mean they're something like 15-0 with 10 CS/Min to get all those items that fast.

LatoyaFromTheBXJan 22, 20184 votes

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while I do agree with you, but if a ADC has those 3 items at 15mins, they should burst you out in two hits, as that would mean they're something like 15-0 with 10 CS/Min to get all those items that fast.

its a little exaggerated sorry

MrHaZeYoJan 23, 20182 votes

I get your point, late game is coming to early now a days

TreeDayBanJan 23, 20186 votes

Considering I play a normal ADC, Ashe, and I'm actually just dead anytime an Assassin gets close enough to sneeze on me, I disagree. A large portion of the ADC roster is meh, weak, easy kills, etc. You got your few Trists and Vaynes who need nerfed; but that doesnt mean nerf item costs to make the entire rest of the roster garbage. Its not going to change the fact you will struggle to kill those OP ADCs. It'll just make you see them more often than you already do.

HópeJan 23, 20185 votes

Why would you nerf adcs because assassins cant kill them. Do people blindly upvote shit.

Why dont you nerf relic shield ( their massive gold gain ) and supports giving them 500 shields.

Plastic 5 ADCJan 23, 20183 votes

Basically.

Daddy AntsJan 23, 20184 votes

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As an Assassin main i feel like every assassin is getting nerfed constantly meanwhile adcs are getting over buffed

Riot i know youre full team of ADC mains but us assassins cant put out a full rotation without an adc 2 shotting with just 3 items by the 15 min mark

ADCS have been extremely overbearing since the ardent censor meta and the buffs to crit items yet nothing has been done to fix this
maybe reverting the Item costs? maybe that would help alot.

Exaggeration is real.

No ADC has those 3 @ 15 unless they are insanely fed and have pro player level cs.

SwiftKitten88Jan 23, 20183 votes

i agree adc are a BIGGER issue than AD assasins. but they BOTH need pretty heavy nerfs.

item 3147 needs to be flat out deleted.. it has been broken in every iteration i ever had.

there is a reason itemslike "breathstealer" donest exist anymore.. because they were beyond fucking broken

duskbalde isnt quite at that level of op. but its pretty damn near it.

and if u dont know what that item was take a look http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Breathstealer

GelmousJan 23, 20183 votes

wtf is OP talking about ? what is this guy on ? assassins destroy ad carries

AirKingNeoJan 23, 20182 votes

so nerf supports? Maybe remove the stopwatch rune? I agree.

JoeMGJan 23, 20182 votes

The issue is late game when ADCs have their life steal and damage plus the heals/shields from the support, assassins can't burst them. It completely negates the ADCs need to position themselves.

RlP K0BEJan 23, 20181 votes

Why is this bullshit being upvoted? If an adc somehow has those 3 COMPLETED items at 15 minutes you deserve to lose. What the fuck

woodvsmurphJan 23, 20181 votes

Crit should either be more expensive or should work like it does for ashe - with it increasing damage by a margin for each crit item you buy rather than giving a flat 2x damage (or 2.5x with i.e.). Also, the movespeed from multiple zeal items should not stack - which it currently does - once the items are completed. Seriously - this makes it so adc's can kite out anyone without multiple gapclosers while draintanking them. Merely running at the adc will do no good - once you've used righteous glory, ghostblade, or deadman's you lose the bonus movespeed due to being in-combat. Adc gets to keep theirs cuz...?

Basically, a player needs to 1-shot an adc through any exhaust, shielding, healing, or ults (lulu, kayle, zilean) to win vs the adc. This is wrong. You should be able to re-engage on an adc if they survive your initial combo. Yet you can't catch them again, it doesn't matter if you do catch them - they do more damage and heal while doing it, and they don't even need to bother running to begin with in half the cases. Adc's should fear having to 1v1 an assassin or bruiser or fighter - unless the adc is like 2+ levels ahead and ahead in items, but it's the other way around more often than not.

LongtowelJan 24, 20181 votes

I feel like it shouldn't be 'easy' for an assasin to kill an ADC. In a 1v1 fight between similarly geared adc and assasin, the assasin should have a signficant advantage. But the ADC should have at least a fighting chance and an opportunity to outplay. In a teamfight though, you can't be expecting the assasin to easily dive and kill the enemy ADC every time, 100-0, because that is just busted. But you should have a really good shot, and if the ADC makes a mistake, or the support doesn't peel, then the ADC should die, or at least be zoned out of the fight.

Besides, even if you are an assasin, it doesn't mean you have to work on your own completely. In a teamfight, your team/support can help the assassin access the target. For example, if I'm playing Eve going in to kill the enemy Vayne, I would likely fail if their Support Janna for example, ults. But if our Morgana gives me a black shield before I go in, I can jump on Vayne regardless, Janna can't ult me away and Vayne's condemn won't push me away into a wall.

The rest is just skill. A 3 item Talon should always be able to kill a 3 item Tristana with ignite, in a 1v1, where the Tris can't see you coming. If you correctly put in all of your skills the moment you jump on her, she should be dead by the time the casting animation on her jump or ult finishes. They aren't instant yknow.