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How do you fight draven? It seems impossible.

Solels··2 votes·2,192 views

I don't see how. You can't just interrupt his axes when he can have 2 at once; he can just wait if it is interrupted with his second axe. His bloodrush makes running away from him impossible, and you cannot kite him because he outdamages every single adc in this game early on. Even if you are somehow able to interrupt both of his axes, he can just stand aside and make sure he can get away while it is on cd, (even if that doesn't work, he can just bloodrush away, gaining a ridiculous amount of movespeed). I have no qualms about his ult, it doesn't seem unavoidable.

Any marksman I have played against him just fails at out trading because of his ridiculous amount of bonus ad with his axes going. I can't even farm with him in lane with me because of his range; whenever I go in for a minion, he throws an axe that does about twice my damage. When I try to do the same while he goes for his axe, he just pulls out the other one and starts obliterating me. Afterwards, he just keeps getting more and more powerful as he denies farm and snowballs harder than any champion I have ever seen in this game.

I see no way of fighting him at all with any marksman I play; he outdamages every other marksman from what I have seen, and can run away if he is ever in trouble, making trading with him practically impossible.

Could I please get real advice? Not "smells like bronze." I really see no way to fight him in lane early/early-mid game.

I already have a downvote...why? I ask for advice about how to exploit Draven's weaknesses that I am not seeing and I get downvoted? Really?

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Maximum Zilean1 votes

Early game against Draven is all about punishing him if he goes to catch an axe. Basically if he goes to catch one, hit him. If he fails to catch it and ignore the damage, he's open for free damage for about 5 seconds before he can ready another. Draven has 0 damage when he doesn't have his spinning axes ready. So abuse this weakness.

Solels1 votes

I try to do that; when I do, he just readies another and out-trades me...by a lot. Theoretically this should work fine, what you are saying; in practice, it is incredibly, if not almost impossibly, difficult to do when you are a mid/late-game damage dealer.

Lysdexic11 votes

Also, he is squishier than most other ADC's to make up for the damage, so after he misses an axe, punish him. engage hard and try your very best to use that window to annihilate him.

Lysdexic11 votes

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Also, he is squishier than most other ADC's to make up for the damage, so after he misses an axe, punish him. engage hard and try your very best to use that window to annihilate him.

Also, your support should really be helping you in this, using any CC they have to try and deny him from his axes. hope for high CC supports who know to impair him when he is out of position from his axes

Solels1 votes

Yes, theoretically this should all work perfectly; it doesn't in practice unless I have higher base damage/damage amplification than him.

Kouga3 votes

If you are going to counter every suggestion with "BUT NUMBERS!" then there really isn't anything we can do to help you.

Yes, Draven has ridiculously high damage output, but it is circumstantial. You have to consider things like lane comp, CC, positioning, etc - because that is all part of the game, its all part of the strategy.

Yes, some champions will be innately stronger or weaker against Draven. There are counterpicks - I'm not saying you have to pick those Champions but you must be aware of how you play based on who you are against. For example, Caitlyn vs Sivir. Normally, Cait can lay down traps at will, but usually puts them in common choke points like in the brush. But against Sivir, you are just giving her free mana to let her constantly spam her skills, because she can just spell shield your traps at will. So Sivir is considered to counter Cait (especially since she can also shield her ult and Q, which are huge parts of her early-mid damage). Instead of saying, "Don't pick Cait", you have to just play smarter. Cait can put her trap in an open, vulnerable area - if Sivir goes to Shield it for mana, you've now created a window where you can target her freely because her shield is on CD. But you have to know how to play against them.

So, you want to be Vayne against Draven? You must consider her advantages or weaknesses. Vayne has weaker early game damage, so you can't just straight up trade. That said, it may be that you need to force the engage instead of letting Draven engage. Call for a gank, and as the jungler is coming in, wait for Draven to pick up on Axe, then Condemn him away from it so he can't pick it up. This will hamstring his damage output. If you can flash/tumble so you can Condemn towards your support or your jungler who is ganking, then all the better.

Hopefully, you have a CC strong support, like Morgana or Janna who can keep zoning him off of his axes. Morgana can snare him before he picks them up, or put her Soil down where he is going so he gets burned while getting his axe, forcing him to back off or get whittled down until you can go in.

I'm not saying this will always work, but there ARE things you can do. Summoner Skill will always trump Champion Select. And since you cannot just stand there and right click each other, you have to get creative.

If you're playing a draft mode, try to ask your support to be someone who can protect you during short, burst engages. Draven does a ton of damage in a short period, so someone like Braum who can stand between you two and soak the damage will help you survive the encounter. Someone like Bard, however, who is more about long-term sustain, may not be a good pick since Draven doesn't poke, he bursts you down with "Tons of Damage (TM)"

If you're playing blind normals, then you may just have to accept bad team comps. Stay safe - save your tumbles and condemns to disengage. Farm under your tower, call for ganks if you can, and just hang back and try to outscale him in the late game.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Don't think he's squishier. His base HP is higher than Riven's.

BluePolarizer1 votes

Jinx/Trist/Cait should be able to farm safely then outscale. As long as you don't feed Draven in the first 10 minutes, you are in good shape for mid-game team fights where he isn't as good thanks to weak mobility and predictable movements.

Solels1 votes

So the only way to beat him is by counter-picking? I can't just play vayne or twitch? I have to play someone like that?

darkdill1 votes

No, Draven can be beaten by Vayne. The trick is to wait for when he tries to catch an axe next to a wall. Tumble (or Flash) into a proper angle and then Condemn him into a wall, then waste him.

Solels1 votes

I did that. I did exactly that; know what he did in retaliation? He threw his ult at me while I had full health, killed me immediately, then walked away with about 5 hp remaining. Vayne, in concept, cannot out trade him in lane because of her lack of early damage and her range; not only that, but having to be reliant on her condemn to kill him means that she isn't a good matchup against him at all. Maybe later on, maybe, but early on? No way in hell will she out trade and/or kill him unless he is hard cc'd for about 6 seconds.

darkdill1 votes

Was just trying to suggest something that could work. But yeah, against Draven early as Vayne, just try to farm and withdraw if he gets aggressive. If he tries to push you down or zone you, call for jungle ganks.

BluePolarizer2 votes

hey welcome to league of legends. I heard there's this thing called the pick/ban phase where you pick champs in sequence. The point of picking champs in sequence is perhaps to counterpick those who pick earlier than you.

Dunno if you noticed but just as there is no way to beat Kalista as Darius, theres probably no way for you to beat Draven as Twitch. Accept it and either work around it by trying to passively farm, laneswapping, counterpick, or whine about Draven OP.

Solels1 votes

You didn't answer my question about his weaknesses, you only said to farm safely, don't feed and counterpick him. I was hoping for some answer that tells me how to actually out trade him...unless the game doesn't work that way at all and you need to counterpick for some champions "just because."

BluePolarizer1 votes

You cannot out trade Draven. Doesn't mean you can't win against Draven.

Theres alot of champs that you absolutely need to counterpick. I'm a jg/top main, and if you refuse to counterpick and just instalock whatever you feel like, its a gamble whether you'll feed or not. Why gamble? Why not take the sure thing?

If you pick first, then take an absolutely safe pick with few weaknesses. Otherwise accept that you made a choice that you could've changed and affected the game's outcome. I get counterjungled like hell by Shaco half the time I first pick Yi, does that mean Shaco OP? I mean, he's invis, guaranteed crit, 75% AD steroid on clone that doubles as a nuke, free flash, can take ignite as a summoner and has 2 forms of CC, one of which is hard CC!

Solels1 votes

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The Paulrus1 votes

Play Caitlin. Outrange him all day. You can pick him off before he can even touch you. Also, you know where he's going to be because of his axes to catch them. Make use of that with your Q/E. The way to beat draven is to not let him get close enough to aa.

Solels1 votes

I don't like that I need to counterpick, but that really seems to be the only way to fight him.

The Paulrus1 votes

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I don't like that I need to counterpick, but that really seems to be the only way to fight him.

The other option is to have a good support with you. Janna can mess up him trying to catch axes with Q/W and can give you the AD you need to trade with him with her E.

Alternatively, supports with roots and decent ranged poke are a good option, like Morg or Lux. Your only real chance is to outpoke him unfortunately and/or get some help from your jg. If you can get him to fall behind, he's very hard to catch up as.

Matthias91191 votes

Draven is a lane bully. His strength is in straight up trades, since he gets a huge amount of flat damage boost early on from his axes.

If you play someone with a relatively weak early game (like Vayne or Twitch or Tristana), you beat Draven by not letting him kill you early and then out scaling him super hard in the late game. If you go 0/0 and have reasonable CS, you won the laning phase. He has to screw up badly or you have to massively outplay him to straight up kill him during laning.

ActuallyArrow1 votes

One does not simply fight THE Draven....

usul12021 votes

Quinn the blind lets you trade damage free for a few seconds (and it's a free hit, since you can aim right between him and his axes). your E is a massive slow that can ruin his blood rush. your ult allows you to dodge his ult, and gives you more burst than he has.

Separately, punish him for CS. his base AS isn't exactly wonderful, and if you can punish him for CSing while still maintaining CS yourself, he's not impossible to zone. just make sure your support is working with you instead of poking individually.

Kroleigh1 votes

Just call Darius over to cut him in half.

ShakySurgeon1 votes

Varus is a pretty nice counter to Draven. The constant poke from your Q's, slows from E, hard CC from R. Like everyone said above, abuse him when he goes to catch an axe. Best to focus on farming, since in a straight up fight he'll always out-trade you.

Miku Lv991 votes

Wait till he pushes. Get jungler to gank him and you kill him. Then he's not a problem since when he's behind he's really bad. Do not fight him very much without help from your jungler.

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