When will riot adress the toxicity of multi form champions?
i mean its nothing new that all of those guys are eating reworks or nerfs one after another and either they become something toxic ot the max or barely usefull
owerall the main problem with them is not strictly related to the toxic skills they usualy abuse because we dont realy lack that we have guys like darius who controll the entire lane with low cooldown q which has good damage and range which proves to be a similar level of toxicity that nidaele reaches when she blindly spams spears mid to late game but the main thing that keeps a champion like darius in check is the fact that he has weaknesses all around, and you have room to live in. in my opinion and i think that its a preety popular opinion, the problem lies in the sheer amount of tools those champions have that allow them to become a lee sin class generalist who unlike lee sin doesnt sacrifice that damage for being all round usefull
i mean look at elise (also she is coming back btw) -has % hp damage -is a mage -has cc -has sustain -has vision tool (the homing spider) -has mobility -has untargetability -has atack speed steroid -has movement speed steroid -has a homing skillshot that is actualy preety inteligent and easy to make plays with -has range -has meele empowered atacks
compare it to any champion who isnt a generalist, lets say yi -has a gapcloser with aoe dmg -has a heal -has a damage reduciton -has autoatack empowering passive -has a steroid to atack speed -has a steroid to movement speed -has ad steroid -has true damage -has resets -and has little untargetability
lists are comparable but elise wins at the amount of sheer tools/traits and covers loads of diverse roles with her skillset while master yi is put only into one direction being an offensive autoatacker with one defensive tool
so this puts riot to the point where gutting them seems fair because they are insane when given some reasonable numbers, since they cover loads of roles and work in loads of situations
but that does prove to make them useless nida was a similar example when right after the rework ap nidaele was branded trash becuase her spears werent rewarding and she couldnt keep the assasin playstyle up with that unreliability, so she became ad bruiser top which was toxic to the max as no toplaner could keep up with her and she was splitpushing while trap field watched ower her back, riot nerfed her ad and buffed something else (mainly tweaked her hunt) and got her to pre rework state again where she abuses her spears and pounce
so i would like to come to the conclusion that i reached once i started thinking about why i dont like those champions their main trait is the fact that they have 2 smaller but diferent skillsets that allow them to cover more playstyles but their main problem is that those playstyles mix and usualy make something insanely toxic as they usualy can have 100% acces to both of their forms at the same time, meaning an empowered version of lee sin class generalist
my conclusion is that multi form champions should have their capability to change forms reduced by increasing their cooldown, this way you deny their capability to abuse toxic playstyles, they will still exist but they wont be 100% accesible and will put them on downtimes where they are tied to one form for a longer time
ofc that will require some ballancing after but i think its better
: probably the most Iconic Duel form champ. The problem Riot had was one Form (noticeably his cannon form) became favored and riot balanced mostly around it's use. The two forms are disjoint.
: She solves some of the Disjointness in her Duel form by allowing one form to interact with the other. (her on the hunt) I honestly feel like her current kit is good and can be worked with. Her numbers may be a bit strong, but her kit is fine.
: The thing with Gnar is that his alt form is more of an Upgrade than a secondary form with different abilities. His Mega form is the Team fighting tank, who locks up the enemy team. And his mini form can't do anything because he's building tank. He can only kite the enemy with his low AD build while waiting for his mega form to be ready.
: not quite sure about her, and how her kit works.