Can we stop fearing ap support items?

chipndip1··3 votes·496 views

Am I the ONLY guy that's legitimately tired of building EVERY support with nearly full tank stats until I'm 4 slots? Like, am I the ONLY GUY that thinks it's lame as hell that when I'm playing to win, my Sona build is my Lulu build is my Nami build is my Karma build? Am I THE ONLY GUY that realized that "Hey, tank supports build tank stats to get a bit tanky, why do enchanters/mage supports build...tank stats to get a bit tanky?"

This isn't "fun" support play. Idk how many threads I made on it but holy hell I'm tired of building Redemption + Locket all the time. I'm tired of the game making shield bots and heal bots out of the entire support role. Is this the fucking best we can do for "fixing the support role"!? REALLY? I thought the point of picking a magic wielding woman that wears thin linens ISN'T GETTING TANKY, but rather USING STRONG MAGIC? Even if I'm a watered down version of that thought, shouldn't my line of thinking be to strengthen MY MAGIC? ALL of my magic, not just the heal or the shield? Or are we just going to go down this path forever where every new change to support items is a new tank item with a shield on it? You'd think a good place to start would be to have more than 4 support items with any amount of ap on them, but nope, because "if it's even halfway passable as an item, we're gonna see it mid". Ardent Censor isn't used mid, guys. Just think of a better designed item so it won't go mid, but holy hell stop filling support with tank items.

Now we get to a point where we're releasing a support with a fucking shit ton of ap scalings on his shields and heals. Literally why do that? Literally why? Shit is ass-backwards. Fix this role's itemization, Riot...before 2020.

8 Comments

LyingOnLine1 votes

Because then Annie, Brand, Zyra, and Malzahurr dominate the support role, derpicus.

Big Lincoln1 votes

right, their AP builds were what made them dominant support picks

chipndip12 votes

Zyra and Malz build Redemption/Locket in the pro circuit. They're picked for early pressure and cc locking people, either one dead-as-fuck guy or a group of champs.

AFilthyCaitMain1 votes

Agreed until paragraph 2. Youre there to make sure your team doesnt die, thats the defining feature of a support. You can build AP sure, but Redemption and Locket are something you must always buy because it gets your team out of sticky situations.

chipndip13 votes

Not my point. The point is that, yes, this is the primary goal of the support role, but the role is fleshed out by a bunch of champs of different classes. Each class should have different strengths and weaknesses that you should compliment or cover with items depending on your situation.

The way we are now, we just pick the best champ to use Redemption/Locket with. Support itemization has nothing to do with champ strengths and weaknesses. It's just being a mule for a few select must-have items while building tanky. Then people wonder why support isn't fun like it's actually a head scratcher.

CannabisOverlord1 votes

I dont build "support" shit when i play support, i build how i want, to better "Support" the team

Darkdemon6531 votes

Riot "tried" to fix it by giving supports special AP ratios. Unfortunately, the ratios were all embarrassingly bad and came with nerfs to the base values and damage, making all the changes pointless at best. After that, Riot decided to no longer pretend to care about supports.

Tin of sardines1 votes

but, but, tank Janna is geniuos. you see, Janna was peel, so her can avoid damage, but if you build tank Janna you can receive and avoid damage. basically you became immortal. is not that a good thing? a support who never dies? no, no way that can be toxic and high win rate at the same time... no way. is just high win rate, that's all, beside, what janna can do to you?

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