What the hell is going on with Evelyn anymore (as an assasin)

DrKessler·Jun 7, 2016·4 votes·1,715 views

A champ that is supposed to be an assasin, but that cannot do her job for shit. An insanly squishy assasin that is LESS strong and MORE squishy then the average assasin.

Her ult, Her shield is gone in a matter of second (1-2) It is outclasse by far by other kind of sustain that many assasin have

Hate spike, like wtf...., it cant be removed because....part of identity i guess...? Ravage base damage is just so god damn low for an assasin, i do understand that it has 100% ratio on both ap and ad but a 210 base damage seems low.

So what is going on for Evelyn now. Another rework?

Many nerfs hit by the NerfBat from Riot? (I can see that happening)

Buffs in the future? (that would be extremly surprising)

25 Comments

SnugglePuggle94Jun 7, 20162 votes

Well Riot already nerfed her to the ground, that's why she's so weak. And they don't want to work on her because of how hard her stealth is to build around. So they keep nerfing her because they think her stealth makes her too strong. With all the changes and nerfs, she just got weaker and weaker.

She needs buffs and a rework, but Riot has other champs they want to work on first.

DrKesslerJun 7, 20161 votes

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Well Riot already nerfed her to the ground, that's why she's so weak. And they don't want to work on her because of how hard her stealth is to build around. So they keep nerfing her because they think her stealth makes her too strong. With all the changes and nerfs, she just got weaker and weaker.

She needs buffs and a rework, but Riot has other champs they want to work on first.

I mean, doesnt the squishiness make up for the stealth? It's not even a "real stealth". So many people overestimate her stealth

Lady HammerlockJun 7, 20164 votes

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I mean, doesnt the squishiness make up for the stealth? It's not even a "real stealth". So many people overestimate her stealth

And none the less she completely disregards normal wards,and the reason they gutted her in the first place was because people started building evelyn tanky so they just had to gut her more and more

DrKesslerJun 7, 20161 votes

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And none the less she completely disregards normal wards,and the reason they gutted her in the first place was because people started building evelyn tanky so they just had to gut her more and more

I guess people could use this trick ---> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXnggOdocd8 (if it still works) But 75 gold is toooooo much for a ward right? /s

Surr20plzJun 7, 20161 votes

You're saying this like you're shocked and something just happened.

DrKesslerJun 7, 20161 votes

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You're saying this like you're shocked and something just happened.

I am shocked that Riot has the guts to call Evelynn an assasin when they keep bashing her assasinating tools and letting them root in a corner

newbinJun 7, 20161 votes

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I am shocked that Riot has the guts to call Evelynn an assasin when they keep bashing her assasinating tools and letting them root in a corner

I agree A easy fix would be to add a special ability or attack to her hatespike after consecutive hits. It would increase her assassin damage and make it worth the risk when she actually acts like a assassin Without lessening the importance of her weaknesses as a meele assassin.

EndlessSorcererJun 7, 20161 votes

Wouldn't that just further encourage tanky builds so that you could survive long enough to repeatedly hit them with your hate-spike?

jaymc1130Jun 7, 20161 votes

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Wouldn't that just further encourage tanky builds so that you could survive long enough to repeatedly hit them with your hate-spike?

Tanksassin is best assassin. Long live the invisible menace.

EndlessSorcererJun 7, 20161 votes

Don't get me wrong, I like building Evelynn as an AD fighter.

It just seemed like their suggestion was completely counterproductive to their goal.

jaymc1130Jun 7, 20161 votes

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Don't get me wrong, I like building Evelynn as an AD fighter.

It just seemed like their suggestion was completely counterproductive to their goal.

I used to play her AD bruiser with this as a core: item 1400 item 3153 item 3078 , whichever of these is needed this match: item 3111 item 3047 item 3009 , and then some mix of these as my last two: item 3143 item 3110 item 3102 item 3139 item 3075 item 3026 .

Then Riot got the bright idea to buff this: item 3116 . And the perma kite ability is just TOO strong on eve for me to ever go anything but AP bruiser as long as that 30% slow on aoe remains. You cannot run from me. You cannot chase me. I am Eve and I will go where I please, screw you Mundo. Oh, and good luck ever touching one of muh carries lawlawlawlawl!

EndlessSorcererJun 7, 20161 votes

I've been building along the lines of: item 3009 item 3047 item 3111 item 1412 item 3025 item 3156 , followed by defensive items.

I find it provides a good mixture of damage, CDR and resistances while still letting me apply a near-constant slow. Skirmisher's Sabre + Ignite and some AD provide good burst and sustained damage which makes her rather strong at duels.

It isn't as good at kiting, but it's still useful for sticking to a target, assassinating squishies and initiating fights.

jaymc1130Jun 7, 20161 votes

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I've been building along the lines of: , followed by defensive items.

I find it provides a good mixture of damage, CDR and resistances while still letting me apply a near-constant slow. Skirmisher's Sabre + Ignite and some AD provide good burst and sustained damage which makes her rather strong at duels.

It isn't as good at kiting, but it's still useful for sticking to a target, assassinating squishies and initiating fights.

I imagine it sure could be. That's one of the other fun things about eve. You really can't go wrong with her build wise (at least for fun games, high level play is much different and you better be using an optimal and ideal build), if its an item, its good on eve. Mix and match to your hearts content.

DrKesslerJun 7, 20161 votes

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I used to play her AD bruiser with this as a core: , whichever of these is needed this match: , and then some mix of these as my last two: .

Then Riot got the bright idea to buff this: . And the perma kite ability is just TOO strong on eve for me to ever go anything but AP bruiser as long as that 30% slow on aoe remains. You cannot run from me. You cannot chase me. I am Eve and I will go where I please, screw you Mundo. Oh, and good luck ever touching one of muh carries lawlawlawlawl!

The problem i had with this build, it might just be me, but i was not able to do enough damage for it to be "relevant" and I was not tanky enough to be able to survive longer then Assasin Eve.

jaymc1130Jun 7, 20162 votes

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The problem i had with this build, it might just be me, but i was not able to do enough damage for it to be "relevant" and I was not tanky enough to be able to survive longer then Assasin Eve.

Shes not a burst assassin, shes a dps assassin. She works in a way that no other assassin really does because of this. You have to know what fights to pick and what fights not to. Her perma stealth is such a powerful strategic tool that she CANT be a burst assassin. She USED to be. Back in season 1. Before the first rework, when she had a stun and her stealth was activate-able. She was back in season 2, when DFG was OP as balls and her ult cast range was FARTHER than the range she could be seen at (One shotting people from the fog of war was so much fun). But her core identity always revolved around stealth and her early incarnations were the most overpower champ this game has ever seen. Hence why shes the most reworked champ in league history.

Eventually things settled down and she found a niche as a dps assassin instead, and the key to her is using her passive properly to pick the RIGHT fights that you can win, regardless of build. If you knew what you were doing with that standard AD bruiser build you would still 100-0 a target in less than 1.5 seconds. That build was also very good at split pushing as she could wave clear pretty easily and take towers quickly while always have the ability to escape a bad situation. The thing about eve is shes the most STRATEGIC champion in league. You have to apply a proper strategy with her to consistently win games. This is why shes also one of the absolute most difficult champions in league. Shes simple as pie in terms of mechanics, but that's not what makes her hard. What makes her hard is you have to be a very cerebral player to utilize her effectively.

newbinJun 7, 20162 votes

No it wouldn't encourage more tanky builds if the added effect had a low ratio. It would give just enough damage boost on a tanky version to be a threat other then just picking off low health champions,. It would reward diving and bilding dmaage reducing the need to be tanky to be useful. Look she is a mechanics champion and once you start playing against people who know her and her mechanics she is really easy to shut down and counter. A chamion being viable only as a noob killer is not ok.

jaymc1130Jun 7, 20161 votes

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A chamion being viable only as a noob killer is not ok.

I have no problem maintaining a 60% win rate with her in diamond level play. None at all. I certainly wouldn't call her exclusively a noob killer. Some champs are like that, say, Katarina, who is largely completely useless in high level play because of the ease she is countered in lane, and shut down in fights by competent players.

jaymc1130Jun 7, 20161 votes

There's nothing wrong with Eve. She's been op as balls for over a year now.

https://embed.gyazo.com/7cbb5b3d2d3813b5e6cad4a774a042ac.png

Still doing this daily with her. Are you sure you know how to play her right?

QuephaJun 7, 20161 votes

Evelynn is classified as a diver, not an assassin. Her stealth makes her access to the back line TOO good so she can't have real burst without instantly becoming overpowered. You're supposed to flank the back line and annoy the crap out of them while staying alive so your allies can handle the rest.

CerealBoxOfDoomJun 7, 20161 votes

reworked into fighter assassin

newbinJun 7, 20161 votes

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Shes not a burst assassin, shes a dps assassin. She works in a way that no other assassin really does because of this. You have to know what fights to pick and what fights not to. Her perma stealth is such a powerful strategic tool that she CANT be a burst assassin. She USED to be. Back in season 1. Before the first rework, when she had a stun and her stealth was activate-able. She was back in season 2, when DFG was OP as balls and her ult cast range was FARTHER than the range she could be seen at (One shotting people from the fog of war was so much fun). But her core identity always revolved around stealth and her early incarnations were the most overpower champ this game has ever seen. Hence why shes the most reworked champ in league history.

Eventually things settled down and she found a niche as a dps assassin instead, and the key to her is using her passive properly to pick the RIGHT fights that you can win, regardless of build. If you knew what you were doing with that standard AD bruiser build you would still 100-0 a target in less than 1.5 seconds. That build was also very good at split pushing as she could wave clear pretty easily and take towers quickly while always have the ability to escape a bad situation. The thing about eve is shes the most STRATEGIC champion in league. You have to apply a proper strategy with her to consistently win games. This is why shes also one of the absolute most difficult champions in league. Shes simple as pie in terms of mechanics, but that's not what makes her hard. What makes her hard is you have to be a very cerebral player to utilize her effectively.

So basically there is nothing wrong with her. She just has a really high skill cap to be properly utilized?

jaymc1130Jun 7, 20161 votes

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So basically there is nothing wrong with her. She just has a really high skill cap to be properly utilized?

Extremely high because she has so many weaknesses built in to counteract her overpowering strategic strength, something no other champion in league can really match. Perma stealth is such a valuable and powerful tool in a knowledgeable players hands that its borderline unfair to even have existing in the game. The amount of pressure that passive can apply when you secure a couple of early kills and the opposing laners are now afraid to even move a foot from their towers is impressive. And she might not even be around... she might be in base buying items and those laners won't venture far from absolute safety. How would they know? A good eve is a SMART eve and uses the fear opposing players have of her against them. And then eats them for lunch anyways no matter what they do. Sneaky, sneaky.