Why the hate on Eve assasin

DrKessler·Dec 29, 2014·3 votes·894 views

Hi everyone, heres the problem. Everyone seems to hate assasin eve, people says «eve assasin suck, its unviable», «eve is a tank, not an assasin». I tried every way of playing eve as an assasin, and no matter what i build, even if im succesful, players will always respond hate comments on how «bad» eve sucks if u dont build as tank. I've even seen this one «eve always was a tank, not an assasin, pro players were wrong»

TLDR : why the hate on assasin eve, she was designed to be played as an assasin, not a tank/ ad bruiser.

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Bears Dont CareDec 29, 20144 votes

Because being assassinated by someone who you can see from 700 range is unfair, meanwhile, being assassinated by Zed who proceeds to escape 1000+ units from the enemy team is not acceptable.

People whine because she has stealth, even though that stealth is only useful for skipping wards and not actually ganking like twitch or Shaco.

DropFillDec 29, 20142 votes

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Because being assassinated by someone who you can see from 700 range is unfair, meanwhile, being assassinated by Zed who proceeds to escape 1000+ units from the enemy team is not acceptable.

People whine because she has stealth, even though that stealth is only useful for skipping wards and not actually ganking like twitch or Shaco.

First, her stealth is useful for ganking. Second, being assassinated by someone that you ONLY saw half a second before being bursted is toxic as fuck. I am not saying Zed is not stupid, because he is toxic as fuck too. But assassin eve was stupid too.

Bears Dont CareDec 29, 20144 votes

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First, her stealth is useful for ganking.

Not really, everyone can dodge wards. You know whats useful for ganks? Crowd control. She has none outside a weak slow on her ult. She can't even hit you when you see her. Her Q has less range than the range you see her from.

Second, being assassinated by someone that you ONLY saw half a second before being bursted is toxic as fuck.

insert ADC here Everyone can burst you just as quickly, and from greater range than Evelyn. Oh and they can stick better. Oh and CC you. Oh and jump walls.

I am not saying Zed is not stupid, because he is toxic as fuck too. But assassin eve was stupid too.

Everything is stupid when it can burst you. Eve's stealth as it stands is balanced because it affords reaction to her presence. She's in a busted state. She can't burst. She can't tank. She cant bring utility. She's garbage.

Penguin EclipseDec 29, 20142 votes

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Eve's stealth as it stands is balanced because it affords reaction to her presence.

Eve's stealth is fairly balanced. But at the same time it isn't because stealth is a poorly handled mechanic and pinks suck.

Bears Dont CareDec 29, 20141 votes

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Eve's stealth is fairly balanced. But at the same time it isn't because stealth is a poorly handled mechanic and pinks suck.

Not necessarily, not all stealth is the same. For example, Rengar stealth is superior for ganking/escaping because only true sight can pierce it. Evelyn has a range in which you cans ee her, so in essence, her stealth only works so long as she is outside 700 range.

MalzaharAnyLaneDec 29, 20142 votes

You should probably study her patch update history before asking that question, it's really quite illuminating.

Eve's been back and forth between 'make newbies want to quit the game but obnoxiously difficult to use against veterans without playing teamfight janitor 24/7' to 'complete dog poo' to her current state, which still had to be nerfed to prevent her from 0-100ing people mid-game with DFG same as Ahri.

That's really just a very very brief summary of a development history you absolutely MUST be aware of before asking your question. Once you understand that, it becomes a little more obvious why people complain about assassin Eve. Assassin Eve doesn't initiate fights and doesn't contribute to damage, she pretty much just ults and cleans up. If she does anything besides that, she usually doesn't survive her teamfights.

Outside of her ult, she takes out one target and then feeds. Assassins are only well-liked in team comps if there is a very good likelihood they will survive blowing up their target. (See: Fizz, Kassadin, Ahri, etc.) If they are just doing one to one trades all day, then there will come a point the target buys armor and it no longer becomes a one to one trade and the assassin gets peeled and feeds.

Eve's Q, W and E are all DPS tools, they aren't really burst tools. That's why you're getting told to build Tank Eve. Is it the right answer? Not necessarily, it's situational.

Bears Dont CareDec 29, 20141 votes

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You should probably study her patch update history before asking that question, it's really quite illuminating.

Eve's been back and forth between 'make newbies want to quit the game but obnoxiously difficult to use against veterans without playing teamfight janitor 24/7' to 'complete dog poo' to her current state, which still had to be nerfed to prevent her from 0-100ing people mid-game with DFG same as Ahri.

That's really just a very very brief summary of a development history you absolutely MUST be aware of before asking your question. Once you understand that, it becomes a little more obvious why people complain about assassin Eve. Assassin Eve doesn't initiate fights and doesn't contribute to damage, she pretty much just ults and cleans up. If she does anything besides that, she usually doesn't survive her teamfights.

So...you mean...like every other assassin does? I don't see anyone complaining about ADC's cleaning up from the backline.

MalzaharAnyLaneDec 29, 20141 votes

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So...you mean...like every other assassin does? I don't see anyone complaining about ADC's cleaning up from the backline.

He asked what was wrong with Assassin Eve.

Now, if you want to change the thread to 'Why Does League Hate Assassins But DOTA Seems To Function Just Fine With Them' I would have to challenge you to debate 'Why Does Half Of Everything In DOTA Not Scale But League Is Obsessed With Scaling On 95% Of It's Skills'

That's really the debate that never quite got discussed when League discussed assassin design in the past four years. League doesn't really work when assassins actually scale. League likes to allow for a bigger margin of error that DOTA does, and scaling snowbally assassins don't really work with that paradigm, barring outliers with glaring weaknesses that consistently never get properly exploited like Katarina.

DrKesslerDec 29, 20141 votes

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You should probably study her patch update history before asking that question, it's really quite illuminating.

Eve's been back and forth between 'make newbies want to quit the game but obnoxiously difficult to use against veterans without playing teamfight janitor 24/7' to 'complete dog poo' to her current state, which still had to be nerfed to prevent her from 0-100ing people mid-game with DFG same as Ahri.

That's really just a very very brief summary of a development history you absolutely MUST be aware of before asking your question. Once you understand that, it becomes a little more obvious why people complain about assassin Eve. Assassin Eve doesn't initiate fights and doesn't contribute to damage, she pretty much just ults and cleans up. If she does anything besides that, she usually doesn't survive her teamfights.

Outside of her ult, she takes out one target and then feeds. Assassins are only well-liked in team comps if there is a very good likelihood they will survive blowing up their target. (See: Fizz, Kassadin, Ahri, etc.) If they are just doing one to one trades all day, then there will come a point the target buys armor and it no longer becomes a one to one trade and the assassin gets peeled and feeds.

Eve's Q, W and E are all DPS tools, they aren't really burst tools. That's why you're getting told to build Tank Eve. Is it the right answer? Not necessarily, it's situational.

Your talking about only DFG eve but let's not forget that eve can be played in alot of ways, but nobody says that bcuz your just going to get downvote to hell from meta sheep.

MalzaharAnyLaneDec 29, 20142 votes

I agree with you that Eve can be played plenty of ways, and I don't personally have a problem with you playing Assassin Eve.

She just doesn't have the tools to overcome her weaknesses other assassins do and her kit is really a bruiser kit that doesn't let her kill many people without DFG, crits, or rylais.

Just JangleDec 29, 20142 votes

Bcuz she deals no damage right now, the AD Brusier type AD was good months ago when she had high damage early game now she doesnt and if you full AP or AD it doesnt add much damage to your late game, you will be instant blow up.

She is in a terrible state rigth now, lets see if the buffs we got in the horizon gonna make her viable.

8yVkmwxq0DDec 29, 20142 votes

i think they should bring back her stun when hitting from stealth. With the new stealth, all someone has to do is damage her to get out of stealth, but if she is able to get to the person without breaking stealth, she should stun. Does that detection mechanic de-stealth her before she can get to an enemy? If so, my suggestion obviously doesn't work.

xLegendary TrollDec 29, 20142 votes

In season 2 Eve with trinity force, wit's end, and wrigglers lanturn was strong enough to solo almost everyone including WW and Irellia. Sustained damage is far more superior than burst against tanks and a squishy "assassin" eve is useless once she comes out of the shadows. Her gimmick is to be able to surprise and stick to her target while taking full advantage of the increase attack speed bonus from her E. Life steal scales with attack speed well, so a tanky/sustain/dps Eve is far more superior than AP.

Penguin EclipseDec 29, 20142 votes

Eve's not in a good place right now. And I doubt she will be anytime soon.

Epilogue of LifeDec 29, 20142 votes

Cuz other champions can build glass cannon and achieve so much more.

AtheosisXDec 29, 20142 votes

Mute people who bitch about your builds and do what you want. That's my advice.

DrKesslerDec 29, 20141 votes

But why would that explain the fact that people think eve is a tank and not an assasin (AP ad hybrid what ever u want) I know that being burst from stealth is very annoying but is it a reason to remove it?

should the «real» stealth assasins (shaco rengar) get rework into the eve-kind stealth or not, its a quite complicate subject but i dont want to dwell on this subject.

MalzaharAnyLaneDec 29, 20142 votes

Shaco and Rengar won't get Eve's stealth mechanic because Eve being able to avoid wards is by design. The current system lets her do what she used to do, but allows for more reaction time by the victim. The problem was never that she instakilled people in pre-s1 and s1, it was that the target more or less couldn't retaliate without spending 3k to 5k in pink wards across the entire team per game. Eve just being in the game set the enemy team at a gold deficit right off the bat that only got larger the more fed she got.

Most people complain about assassin Eve because mid to late game you are going to get counterbursted and die unless you win at 20. Going into more detail than that requires more example games than the majority of the forum is really willing to discuss.

Kuroi86Dec 29, 20141 votes

Her damage took some massive hits. Burst plus stealth can be quite toxic, she needs to balanced around her burst with her stealth being a bonus, not balanced around her stealth with any burst being a bonus.