Vayne players who dislike Riven: Why?

Arya Riven·Jan 26, 2017·2 votes·716 views

Sincere question. Both are "high skillcap", immensely mobile champions who do a boatload of physical damage, both split push well, both have self peel and had CC, Riven gets a shield but Vayne gets stealth, both gain AD from their ults and have something else enhanced by it(Vayne's passive Riven's attack range). Both are among the highest feast/famine champions in League. They either roflstomp or become target dummies. Both have to sacrifice some waves until they hit power spikes. Both have %HP damage. One stacks CDR the other AS. Both love lifesteal. Both are universally hated and have loads of memes about them.

I'd assume Vayne and Riven players would be in the same boat. And be able to sympathize the struggle of not being able to enjoy their champion without receiving hate.

10 Comments

dominusxJan 26, 20173 votes

Don't compare Riven to Vayne please. Maybe Garen or something is more suitable for Vayne. Only people who cry about Vayne taking a lot of skill is adc players the champ is braindead once you get used to her range. All of her dmg is autoattacks aka you cant actually miss your dmg nor there's a way for the enemy to avoid it. ofc you can negate it with shields but you cant actually AVOID IT. no idgaf if Jax has a dodge mechanism please...You dont have 5 Jax(s) in a team unless it's one for all.

Arya RivenJan 26, 20171 votes

Skill floor =/= skill cap. Vayne in top tiers of play requires an immense amount of skill to optimize. Both Riven and Vayne are easy enough to pick up.

dominusxJan 26, 20172 votes

Garen takes a lot of effort to close the gap and do dmg to ppl. Vayne takes effort to maintain a range where she doesnt get killed by melees. they both need the same thing to do their job proper position and to maintain it. All of Garen dmg is litterally point and click same with Vayne and Vayne ahs the range advantage even if it isnt range like Cait's.Dont bother telling me Vayne is a highskillcap champion you wont ever get anything out of it. OH you gonna compare her to other adcs? keep in mind other ad's dont actually have STEALTH to abuse to reposition constantly. Twitch has CAMOUFLAGE which means once someone gets on top of him he has to rely on his orbwalking skills. Oh and yeh twitch is also a retarded champ dont bother analysing him.

Arya RivenJan 27, 20171 votes

It's weird how top end ADC mains consider Vayne to be the most mechanically high skill cap ADC in the game. With Jhin and Lucian not far behind.

To me it just sounds like you hate Marksman class.

dominusxJan 27, 20171 votes

Jhin and Draven are in my top 7 favorite champs. I dont actually hate the role i hate its playerbase

TekkenPlayerJan 27, 20172 votes

Vayne Yasuo Riven is not nearly as aggravating as Hecarim Zyra Leblanc Katarina LeeSin Zac Rengar

I've never heard of Vayne players disliking riven. It's more

Riven : R, E, summoner 4 third Q, W, auto R Vayne :holy shit i just exploded xd

WitchQueen AnnieJan 27, 20172 votes

Vayne players hate the fact that Riven looks better/hotter. They like Vayen's gameplay but are secretly disappointed that she doesn't look like a Riven variation. Its all a form of projection.

The WhamboozlerJan 27, 20172 votes

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Both are "high skillcap",

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But seriously... Do you know how if you mix two kinds of awful, corrosive, acidic chemicals you'll likely either cause a horrible explosion or a cloud of toxic death fumes? That's pretty much how this works too.

See, Riven is basically Chlorine. She's pretty commonly used by people, but she's also really toxic and being around her is bad for your health unless she's very properly treated.

Vayne however, is Ammonia. She's gross and prone to burning people who mishandle her, but can be useful at cleaning up things when other less extreme options just won't work.

But mix the two and you're dead. Their toxicity just does mix. The fumes that result will kill you and everyone on your team.

Now... some toxic materials CAN be mixed though. Yasuo and Riven for instance, both mix fairly well. I mean, they're invariably toxic as all hell, but the players who use one often use the other. Some believe this is because Yasuo is actually a base, not an acid. This would explain why he mixes so well with so many other toxic champs. This is entirely speculative though, as the resulting player is almost always still incredibly acidic and toxic, where one would otherwise expect a neutral compound if he was somehow neutralizing the inherant acidity of a pubstomping toxic shitter champ like Riven.

Ultimately, Riot just hasn't put enough effort into it's chemistry department for us to know the reasons for sure. Just remember to wear safety goggles while experimenting with toxic champions, if you must experiment with them at all.