Why are you buffing khazix?

letsfeedtogether·Jul 23, 2019·45 votes·15,437 views

I dont get it. He is so good as it is now. So why buff him? Is this for LC$? Or what?

77 Comments

Darkdemon653Jul 23, 201941 votes

Haven't you heard? There isn't enough one-shotting in this game. Hopefully Rengar will get some buffs, too.

letsfeedtogetherJul 23, 201925 votes

Ya maybe make his ult global like ashe or ezreal. He is weak now

Exin0Jul 24, 20192 votes

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Ya maybe make his ult global like ashe or ezreal. He is weak now

Or like karthus he will send clones on all enemies :D

Tuition FeeJul 23, 201917 votes

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Haven't you heard? There isn't enough one-shotting in this game. Hopefully Rengar will get some buffs, too.

Let's buff Zed while we're at it too!

FSRERJul 24, 20194 votes

Yeah, that is why LeBlanc is getting god damned buffed. She had only one ability that did not 1 shot you (her half lane range root) and even that is getting buffed. Kha zix is getting a +10 Q damage but leblanc gets this change: 60 / 105 / 150 / 195 / 240 from 60 / 90 / 120 / 150 / 180 damage. Come the fuck on Riot

DontKillMySorakaJul 24, 20193 votes

You max E last on LB. Base damage in late isnt rly a thing. Kha Zix has rly low cd on Q which gets reduced if evolved. (+ its 20 dmg bc it gets doubled when isolated) 10/20 damage in early means a LOT. You saw Graves being terrible after -3 base AD. And btw, its only the second damage procc on LB so it's not initial damage like Kha's.

Z3SIeeperJul 24, 20192 votes

Honestly the tether length is so goddam long that this damage is basically guaranteed, though yeah it's not straight up instant burst.

MalignMetalJul 23, 201918 votes

Riot is out of touch

SgtAwesomenessJul 24, 201912 votes

$kin coming

KhaZix BotJul 24, 201911 votes

Because he is currently sitting at around a 47% winrate and dropped like three tiers in one patch. That's not normal for a champion that wasn't directly nerfed. Any top tier jungler can just walk in to his jungle and kill him right now. Sejuani outbursts him, for Christ's sake. That's not okay.

I'd rather see the top tier junglers get gutted, because they're out of control, but 20 extra damage on Kha Q isn't going to be noticable for the majority of the game, with the exception of the first ten minutes or so.

And no, you shouldn't be able to walk in to that 1v1 duelist, double damage in isolation champion's jungle, showing zero regard for counterplay, and just kill him because you're a bullshit tank/bruiser. You should never feel safe walking in to Kha'Zix's jungle while even or behind, simple as that.

And for the love of God, stop with this stupid ass "LCS CHAMPION" trash. Kha'Zix hasn't been a "flashy LCS champion" since Alex Ich pentakilled EG in Season 3. And that was Kha mid with a totally different kit. There's nothing flashy about deleting someone in half a second because they positioned poorly.

People don't even know what they're saying.

And before some all star Vi main with fifteen Kha'Zix games tries to tell me that he's fine right now, go on probuilds and count the number of Kha'Zix matches you see after 9.14. This isn't Sherlock Holmes shit, it's pretty basic.

letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20194 votes

Khazixs win rate is 49.9% (50) he is jusr fine. Yes. A tank should be able to fight him late game. He is an assasin and tanks counter assasins. But he CAN AND DOES IF HE IS GOOD abuse them early because he qill win early vs a tank if he invades in the first clear its a kill for sutr. Khazix has a good backline diving abilith. A good "way our" avility a lot of damage and a op aoe 90% slow.. he dosent need a buff.

azazxerJul 24, 20192 votes

This is false, unless im ahead or sej has no cd's and face checking me and i have item on her, you dont 1v1 sejuani, and its stupid. Nothing better then losing to a tank with 0 dmg items early game

letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20194 votes

UNLESS YOURE AHEAD

1 sej get low on the first clear unlike khazix. You can take her out at the second buff. Youre an assasin she is a tank. Tank counter assasin. Thats why you probably wont be able to 1v1 her after first item. And thats fine. But you will be able to kill the mid laner maybe top lane and bot lane.

azazxerJul 24, 20192 votes

Brb need to go die to a tank in a stun lock cus hur nur

letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20194 votes

You should find a better joke if you're already there

KhaZix BotJul 25, 20191 votes

Wait, hold on a second. Do you think Kha is broken because you got 15 kills once? You have 3 Kha games and you've lost two. Your go to Jungle is Sejuani (I called that without looking the first time, by the way) and you couldn't manage to carry one of your Kha games, despite being fed, against a CC lock bruiser.

How do you not see the problem here? Everyone is allowed to an opinion, but experience changes the weight of said opinion. Just because the boards hates assassin players and wants an ADC heaven where we all farm to 40 and then shake hands and say GG, doesn't mean you're right.

KhaZix BotJul 25, 20191 votes

Late game, yeah, but you're ignoring the actual problem. She INVADES AND KILLS HIM early game. That's not okay. And no, he doesn't beat any pick worthy tank in a jungle duel, because their clears are all insane and they're nigh full HP at all points in the jungle. Invading isn't about just walking in and kicking someone's head off, it's about predicting when they'll be at their weakest and taking advantage of that.

Winrates change day by day and are different across servers and sites. According to Champion.GG on the day I wrote that, in NA, Kha had a 47% winrate. As some other people have pointed out, there might be contradicting sources that put him at 49%. However, none have him above that, and some have had him lower than 47%. 47-49% IS NOT a good range. Not at all.

Anyway, the latter part of your argument proves to me that you have little understanding of the champion, but go on, tell me that my problem is that "I'm not good". I want you to give me a Kha build that, with evo w (since you said 90% slow), drives the backline and gets out consistently without being an item+ up on his opponents. That's such an incredibly outlandish claim that I'm honestly surprised you'd attempt to make it.

You're allowed to not like a champion, but that's not a reason for him to be bad.

KronosXVIIIIJul 25, 20191 votes

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Because he is currently sitting at around a 47% winrate and dropped like three tiers in one patch. That's not normal for a champion that wasn't directly nerfed. Any top tier jungler can just walk in to his jungle and kill him right now. Sejuani outbursts him, for Christ's sake. That's not okay.

I'd rather see the top tier junglers get gutted, because they're out of control, but 20 extra damage on Kha Q isn't going to be noticable for the majority of the game, with the exception of the first ten minutes or so.

And no, you shouldn't be able to walk in to that 1v1 duelist, double damage in isolation champion's jungle, showing zero regard for counterplay, and just kill him because you're a bullshit tank/bruiser. You should never feel safe walking in to Kha'Zix's jungle while even or behind, simple as that.

And for the love of God, stop with this stupid ass "LCS CHAMPION" trash. Kha'Zix hasn't been a "flashy LCS champion" since Alex Ich pentakilled EG in Season 3. And that was Kha mid with a totally different kit. There's nothing flashy about deleting someone in half a second because they positioned poorly.

People don't even know what they're saying.

And before some all star Vi main with fifteen Kha'Zix games tries to tell me that he's fine right now, go on probuilds and count the number of Kha'Zix matches you see after 9.14. This isn't Sherlock Holmes shit, it's pretty basic.

did you actually just unironically say that a tank/bruiser should be getting outdueled in jg by an assassin

KhaZix BotJul 26, 20191 votes

Early game? Absolutely fucking yes.

When the champion's entire kit is based around winning 1v1s and losing nigh everything else, they should crush a bruiser/tanks skull in early game if they're stupid enough to invade.

That's bad play. Stop trying to make bad play more viable just because you don't want to think about matchups beyond "tank counter assassin, tank big strong, assassin little ant to big strong tank".

How about you learn the game?

I PT IJul 24, 20199 votes

These are LCS buffs most likely. The likes of Syndra Lee and Graves got em as well.

Seviel VoroseJul 24, 20192 votes

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These are LCS buffs most likely. The likes of Syndra Lee and Graves got em as well.

Syndra deserves them, have you even seen her performance in solo q?

GrãñðmãstêrShãçøJul 24, 20198 votes

Ofc it's for LC$

Pierce The VealJul 24, 20194 votes

Are you guys legitimately whining about Kha’Zix getting 10 extra damage on his Q now?

As opposed to Leblanc gaining 60 damage on E? Or Syndra gaining more true damage? Or Lucian getting a 10 damage PER SHOT buff to his ult? Or Vayne getting buffed with condemn doing 150% buffed damage?

letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20196 votes

10 damage makes his clear faster. Meaning less hp lost. And can invade more easily. Meaning he will be able to snowball even faster and easier Thats a good buff.

Pierce The VealJul 25, 20191 votes

While that’s fair, it’s only a partial revert of his past nerf where he lost 15 damage.

With his Q on a 4 second cooldown, how much more damage will he get off on a camp thanks to Q? How much faster will his overall clear speed be? He maybe gets off 3 Q’s on a camp. That’s another whopping 30 damage. It’s not going to make a big different like people like to think. It’s just people are freaking out because of kha’zix’s heydey.

If he had a 40% winrate, people would still freak out over buffs and celebrate his nerfs. People just hate him because he’s an assassin.

figold666Jul 25, 20191 votes

Well Leblanc Maxes E last and the part is E2, the one that allows you, the chainee, to burst/cc Leblanc into oblivion.

Pierce The VealJul 25, 20191 votes

E2, you mean the part where it takes 3 flashes to get away from?

figold666Jul 25, 20191 votes

The trick is not to run... if you turn around and attack leblanc she is either forced to die or teleport back.

Pierce The VealJul 26, 20191 votes

If... you’re ranged and have enough damage to instaburst her, it works well, in particular.

How do 80-90% of league champions deal with her, not the Riot games stamp of approval ones.

figold666Jul 26, 20191 votes

Leblanc’s chain in solo (1v1 situations), only has a place very early game or late game against a tank during a team fight. The reason why it is good is because her allies force you to flee, making you rooted then killed. If you name a champ I can tell you how to get Leblanc chain off of them.

astralwitJul 24, 20194 votes

I thought it was strange too when I gave my thoughts here.

Kha is doing fine even in high ELO. He's above 50% in both Diamond+ and Masters+ despite having an above average skill-cap. That Kha buff seems too big and there are plenty of weaker off-meta junglers who need it more. By comparison, Amumu is at 49% in Diamond+ and a pathetic 45% in Masters+ even though his skill floor is low so an above average base win rate should be expected. Nocturne is just under 48% in Diamond+ and ~45% in Masters+. I could find many other examples. I think this buff brings Kha to S- tier if he's picked situationally. In an ideal world there wouldn't be any tiers at all but let's not get carried away. :D

KhaZix BotJul 25, 20191 votes

I keep getting into stats here and there but in this situation, it's not really necessary.

Riot doesn't balance around diamond+ and never has, unless specifically stated. They balance around plat+, unless there's a rank specific issue, because it is the largest community with a reasonable amount of skill. Diamond+ is too small.

Blessed By RNGJul 24, 20194 votes

Taste Their Fear (Q) damage increased from 50/75/100/125/150 to 60/85/110/135/160

It's just a +10 base damage each level, it's really not that much that it needs a post to start whining about it?

Oh no Kha'Zix now has +10 more base damage on his Q, he's clearly going to be OP now, Riot why are you so stupid?

letsfeedtogetherJul 24, 20196 votes

10 damage makes his clear faster. Meaning less hp lost. And can invade more easily. Meaning he will be able to snowball even faster and easier Thats a good buff.

DurzakaJul 24, 20193 votes

Its 20 damage on an isolated target. That is nothing to scoff at early. ESPECIALLY early, very realistically get 2, potentially 3 isolated Qs off on an invade, or gank that adds a shit ton of damage when the target only has around 600-700

Secretly a PhosJul 24, 20192 votes

You don't get isolated q's off in an invade if enemy team isn't stupid. Kha loses LITERALLY half his damage if you group up, plus he's squishy and his main escape tool is slow AND short ranged.

DurzakaJul 25, 20192 votes

what? Literally the entire jungle is isolated. You only dont get isolated Qs off if you attack them while their taking a camp, in which case they are taking extra damage from the camp anyways. Catch them in a path between camps and they are isolated.

KhaZix BotJul 25, 20191 votes

In what world do you invade and have 9 to 12 seconds to Q someone three times before their team shows up?

DurzakaJul 25, 20192 votes

first Q comes out instantly, second at 4 seconds, third at 8 seconds. Not 9-12 seconds you seem to think.

8 seconds is absolutely possible depending on what vision and what the lanes look like before any of his team mates can respond.

KhaZix BotJul 26, 20191 votes

Oh, okay. You didn't tell me you were just standing there letting me Q you.

Well that changes everything, doesn't it?