Slows, Armor pen, Slows and Slows.

Mira Arya Enthe·Sep 18, 2016·3 votes·662 views

When will we be able to play melee DPS champions again?

26 Comments

Lordk0zSep 18, 20162 votes

Never.

Rito hired Ghostcrawler. We all know how he missed up frost mages in WoW.

This is just the beginning.

Mira Arya EntheSep 18, 20162 votes

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Never.

Rito hired Ghostcrawler. We all know how he missed up frost mages in WoW.

This is just the beginning.

I know. I was a pally :c

Lordk0zSep 18, 20162 votes

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I know. I was a pally :c

Same. It never really leaves you, the hopeless feeling of being kited with no recourse.

Mira Arya EntheSep 18, 20161 votes

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Same. It never really leaves you, the hopeless feeling of being kited with no recourse.

Rooted, slowed, rooted, deep freeze, slowed, rooted, blink, slowed, slowed, rooted, stunned, polymorphed...

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

Lordk0zSep 18, 20162 votes

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Rooted, slowed, rooted, deep freeze, slowed, rooted, blink, slowed, slowed, rooted, stunned, polymorphed...

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-

And don't you dare use Hand of Freedom, or you'll just have it stolen off you.

Mira Arya EntheSep 18, 20162 votes

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And don't you dare use Hand of Freedom, or you'll just have it stolen off you.

#meleelife

Swiftstrike4Sep 18, 20162 votes

I do think item 3116 and item 3022 are problems and at one point item 3025 was as well. It hasn't gotten to the point that we see Marksmen playing every role like we did in the middle of preseason last year, but I do think that most melee champions that are incapable of kiting or lack mobility are at a pretty big disadvantage.

Riot tried to get rid of some of the mobility creep in the game nerfing item 3009 , getting rid of the flat movement speed mastery (it is now out of combat only), the tier 3 boots, and nerfs to some items that had some mobility to them item 3512 and item 3742 .

Now, however we have items and champions that all build items with slows in them and some movement speed has been removed.

I think it is more or less the same problem for melee champions, which is why they buffed item 3111 , but it still doesn't feel like enough.

I just played a game today as Nasus and it was a normal into a team that I literally could not escape once I went in, a Nunu , Varus Thresh Amumu and a Blitzcrank . We won the game, but it was a very painful game and they didn't even build the slowing items (as far as I recall), just their kits made any encounter a fight to see if I could kill one of the players that was CC'ing me, before I was CC'd by player on their team.

That's an extreme example, but I am tired of finding some champions almost unplayable because of the the items they build or they have a CC heavy comp and item 3111 still feel like garbage. I would be totally OK if they made them cost more but they pumped up the tenacity on them.

ReikkenSep 18, 20161 votes

just play irelia and yi

Meep ManSep 18, 20161 votes

MasterYi "Slows?"

TTK DreadnoughtSep 18, 20161 votes

Olaf "What are those things?"

RevaliSep 18, 20162 votes

Garen demacia?

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20161 votes

Silver V woes

Mira Arya EntheSep 18, 20162 votes

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Silver V woes

Except... Melee DPS literally performs worse as your tier increases, so that makes 0 sense. The higher level, the more people like Ekko or Yasuo or Riven would be chosen over people like Garen, Trynd or Udyr.

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20161 votes

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Except... Melee DPS literally performs worse as your tier increases, so that makes 0 sense. The higher level, the more people like Ekko or Yasuo or Riven would be chosen over people like Garen, Trynd or Udyr.

You just named melee champions as picks over melees in an argument that melee's become less popular in higher tiers. Darius, Illaio, Fiora, Trundle, Renekton, Jax, Irelia, Olaf, Poppy, are all picked and perform very well. You named a completely deficient champ, Garen, and Udyr is receiving buffs because they know he's in a bad state, and Tryn gets picked, he's just only good in pre D3 because players are all bad until then.

Mira Arya EntheSep 18, 20163 votes

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You just named melee champions as picks over melees in an argument that melee's become less popular in higher tiers. Darius, Illaio, Fiora, Trundle, Renekton, Jax, Irelia, Olaf, Poppy, are all picked and perform very well. You named a completely deficient champ, Garen, and Udyr is receiving buffs because they know he's in a bad state, and Tryn gets picked, he's just only good in pre D3 because players are all bad until then.

"melee DPS champions again?"

Ekko, Yasuo and Riven are not DPS champions. Are you that new to gaming that you don't know DPS is Damage Per Second, and generally refers in this case to people who deal continual, consistent damage. Riven, Yasuo and Ekko are burst champions, with high mobility. This entire thread is about DPS champions, those who dish out high damage over an extended period of time, consistently.

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20162 votes

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"melee DPS champions again?"

Ekko, Yasuo and Riven are not DPS champions. Are you that new to gaming that you don't know DPS is Damage Per Second, and generally refers in this case to people who deal continual, consistent damage. Riven, Yasuo and Ekko are burst champions, with high mobility. This entire thread is about DPS champions, those who dish out high damage over an extended period of time, consistently.

This isn't an MMO dude. Everyone has 4 abilities, with windows of opportunity to apply said dmg to said target, some are burst assassins, with slows, some are juggernauts with IMMENSE aoe dmg and sustain but easily kited, the only thing you could argue that is damage over time are adcs and sustain tanks like Vlad, Swain? Maybe? And thats a stretch. Your thought process is flawed. There is a very clear way Riot thinks about and balances champs, putting them in sub-classes with vision of that champ and how they feel they should perform.

Just because AGAIN as I stated in your other post "Just because the vision and idea doesn't agree with or follow your idea to a T, DOES NOT MAKE IT INVALID"

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

Read that, then look up the sub-class you have questions on and learn some stuff. Stop trying to go about this like its Wow pvp or something please.

Mira Arya EntheSep 18, 20162 votes

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This isn't an MMO dude. Everyone has 4 abilities, with windows of opportunity to apply said dmg to said target, some are burst assassins, with slows, some are juggernauts with IMMENSE aoe dmg and sustain but easily kited, the only thing you could argue that is damage over time are adcs and sustain tanks like Vlad, Swain? Maybe? And thats a stretch. Your thought process is flawed. There is a very clear way Riot thinks about and balances champs, putting them in sub-classes with vision of that champ and how they feel they should perform.

Just because AGAIN as I stated in your other post "Just because the vision and idea doesn't agree with or follow your idea to a T, DOES NOT MAKE IT INVALID"

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/3A5uuBw7-champion-subclass-list

Read that, then look up the sub-class you have questions on and learn some stuff. Stop trying to go about this like its Wow pvp or something please.

LOL! there are many champions who rely on dealing damage over time in a DPS manner. These are the ones who are suffering from the slow meta. They are champions who don't do their damage all in a brief combo, but rather over a persistent fight.

Udyr Shyvana Garen Trundle Aatrox Mundo Nasus Jax(Minus his period of doing a burst build) Yi Olaf Renekton Volibear Xin Zhao

All are melee champions who rely on getting on you, and sticking on you, as they hit you over and over and over, to deal DPS. Regardless of their Riot subclasses, this is what they do. MOST(Not all) of these champions suffer a lot against any team with any form of kiting skills or lockdown. Which is what this thread is about. The armor pen meta also doesn't help, as it means their traditional tactic of building tanky to get in range without dying, doesn't work very well.

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20162 votes

And everyone also has a kit to either disengage from said damage windows, and or apply their damage windows. Renek is a burst diver, Xin is a diver, Aatrox is a diver (and in a HORRID) spot right now, Udyr, Shyv, Garen, Nasus, Trundle, Olaf, are all juggernauts performing poorly at the exception of Trundle and Olaf, again now our argument from the previous thread is spilling over in to this thread. Mundo and Voli are also considered juggernauts but I'm failing to understand how, seems more like Riot didn't quite have a perfect place to put them in the sub-class list. Mundo is receiving buffs because he is under-performing. Voli has all of his dmg build in to his W, which is holding him back as a champ.

You provide no argument in anything you say. You just shit-post and post buzz word topics to get butt hurt people to grab pitchforks and follow behind you xD. It has actually tilted me a bit, seeing you pop up in the threads over and over and reading this rubbish.

Mira Arya EntheSep 18, 20162 votes

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And everyone also has a kit to either disengage from said damage windows, and or apply their damage windows. Renek is a burst diver, Xin is a diver, Aatrox is a diver (and in a HORRID) spot right now, Udyr, Shyv, Garen, Nasus, Trundle, Olaf, are all juggernauts performing poorly at the exception of Trundle and Olaf, again now our argument from the previous thread is spilling over in to this thread. Mundo and Voli are also considered juggernauts but I'm failing to understand how, seems more like Riot didn't quite have a perfect place to put them in the sub-class list. Mundo is receiving buffs because he is under-performing. Voli has all of his dmg build in to his W, which is holding him back as a champ.

You provide no argument in anything you say. You just shit-post and post buzz word topics to get butt hurt people to grab pitchforks and follow behind you xD. It has actually tilted me a bit, seeing you pop up in the threads over and over and reading this rubbish.

So you agree they are performing poorly? Good, discussion closed then.

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20161 votes

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So you agree they are performing poorly? Good, discussion closed then.

See how you downvoted something you agree with? Kid you are something else hehe ecks dee

Mira Arya EntheSep 18, 20162 votes

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Silver V woes

And literally Riot is looking into Frozen Mallet and Rylai's and the Armor pen meta because of how it effects PRO play. So you can stop just stalking my posts just to rank call and down vote because you salty.

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20161 votes

I'm not stalking your posts, I simply saw this and chuckled it was you. You refuse to accept logic in any given discussion, and it shows.

Mira Arya EntheSep 18, 20162 votes

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I'm not stalking your posts, I simply saw this and chuckled it was you. You refuse to accept logic in any given discussion, and it shows.

I get upvotes in any given discussion and it shows. Everyone, including Riot, knows that the slow meta has made melee champions who are not hyper mobile or bursty, almost irrelevant there is a new, upvoted post about it almost daily.

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20161 votes

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I get upvotes in any given discussion and it shows. Everyone, including Riot, knows that the slow meta has made melee champions who are not hyper mobile or bursty, almost irrelevant there is a new, upvoted post about it almost daily.

0s [slayer-jinx-catface]

FallenSeruvimSep 18, 20161 votes

LOL you got on an alt account to upvote yourself and downvote me to win the argument???? LUL I'm done... I can't... I just can't .. Please, end me [zombie-nunu-tears]

Lordk0zSep 19, 20161 votes

Quite. That's the root of the problem isn't it? Rylais and Mallet?