Given just how accessible both physical damage and attack speed is these days - can Yi's Wuju style be converted to physical damage so that he actually has to pick Conqueror or build crit to deal true damage? You've stated yourself that a champion's only counterplay should never be "cc them".
Salamencę20 votesIncoming Master Yi mains saying "REEEEEEEEEE just cc him"
Ghi5 votes[deleted]
Salamencę7 votesLol shuut up. We all laugh at your low elo, ignorant asses on Yi Reddit. Literally, 95% of us have a hard time in ranked as Master Yi ALONE. We aren't all Masters and Challengers. We're spread throughout Bronze to Diamond like every other champion main (with like 5 or less Masters-Challengers). Most of us are in low Plat-Diamond, permastuck. If Yi was really as OP as you say, then we'd all be at least Masters by now. Just admit that you suck, and git gud. Also, the real problem lies in the items. Look at what we keep building. We don't just build anythiing. Juuuust saying.
Hey look my prediction was right
Ghi4 votes[deleted]
Sexy Jack Rabbit4 votesWhy do Yas/Zed/Yi/Kat and Riven mains always call other people 'kids' ?
3TWarrior1 votesbecause the joke is immature and also targets someone instead of being a humor that even the person it is about could enjoy?
it's not an understatement that a lot of such players do act as if they are superior, but "laughing and pointing" is about as kid-like as it gets
t4JxNr2gszz9 votesRageblade interaction with his phantom hit and his true damage active E ability make him facerole. Great points!
Pika Fox7 votesI dont see why youd need to. Hes a melee hyper carry whos only stat is damage. Plus iirc its flat damage, meaning you can already build against it with both HP and AS reduction.
Nyarlathοtep20 votesHe builds 
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(if he is jungle) and 
making hp pretty useless. Atk speed reduction doesnt work since he is immune to slows during his ulti.
Pika Fox11 votesYoure still building armor, as the majority of his damage is physical, and botrk isnt true damage. Youre still looking at, what is that? 3 full items + boots to have jungle, botrk and rageblade? None of which provide any defensive stats. Thats not gunna work well in a real game. At that point "just CC him" is a real comment because he has nothing to handle that and no survivability to live through even a small breeze.
Nyarlathοtep8 votesYou think this trully works? In theory yes its simple. Now practice is where it becomes complicated. For many different reasons. Many of those are why "just cc him" is as stupid as it can get. Good luck cc him when he is running at the god damn speed of sound, and more likely than not, your hard cc is a skillshot.
Tegash24 votesNasus loses to Yi.
Think about that.
Nasus has a soft CC that is LITERALLY CRIPPLING to any other AS carry (Xin, Fiora, Jax, etc etc). Yi is immune to it.
Nasus has an ult that gives him armor stats and tick damage. Yi doesn't care.
Nasus can build full armor. 300+. Yi doesn't care.
Sleepcoma1 votesmaster yi was literally made to kill tanks, so is it really a surprise that yi beats nasus. counters are supposed to exist in this game
PB4UAME9 votesNasus isn't a tank. He's a juggernaut with infinite scaling damage. Juggernauts are an archetype of melee carry, along side the Skirmisher subclass, to which Master Yi belongs. Both are melee carries, neither is a tank.
Axzarious1 votesAnd Nasus is still fully capable of winning the 1v1 against Yi, provided he isn't behind since Yi is often so damn squishy.
LordGeovanni1 votesThats just a matter of having too much % damage
Frontline Fury13 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tv86tpGi,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-06-22T19:01:44.297+0000)
I dont see why youd need to. Hes a melee hyper carry whos only stat is damage. Plus iirc its flat damage, meaning you can already build against it with both HP and AS reduction.
Ah yes, build health against him. Great idea! That's going to help 
a lot!
Let's not forget this glorious little thing, too. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/f/f2/Lethal_Tempo_rune.png/revision/latest?cb=20171126182145
Pika Fox6 votesHit him with any single spell. He has like 1500hp and like 30 resists. Maybe 40. 3 full expensive items + boots and nothing to survive? Not even a QSS? He should be dead before he even gets near you.
SweedishGunner10 votesThat's not a Yi specific counter lol. That's just how squishies work.
Pika Fox2 votesWhen yi is building a garbage build like that, its a specific counter to yi. Especially when yi doesnt have range to fall back on.
LordGeovanni1 votesSquishyies do damage and have little defense. That is how they work. Except unlike Adcs he cant leverage that from halfway across the screen. Yi has less defensive stats than many adcs.
Tegash5 votesYou're forgetting the 50% damage reduction on his 5 second Meditate.
There's a reason why they took that shit out of Kha'Zix's old ult.
Pika Fox10 votesMeditate is a full self CC. If hes meditating hes not moving or doing damage, and literally any stun or displacement interrupts it. It wont save him against a competant team just because he used it, nor does it make that garbage build any better.
Sleepcoma1 votesyou cant move during meditate though, you could during k6 ult... if yi is meditating after trying to engage on you, hes not doing any damage
Tegash1 votesUhh, yeah, that's the point. You meditate while your target blows their entire kit on you, heal while reducing the damage by 50% (which basically gives you anywhere from 55% to 80% reduction depending on how little or how much the enemy damages you), and then go right back to killing them because Highlander lasts 8 seconds and REFRESHES ON KILL.
Sleepcoma1 voteswhy would anyone with a brain use their whole rotation on a yi who is meditating??? highlander lasts 7 seconds and was nerfed from 10 or 14 a while ago, yi also uses mediatate as an auto reset most of the time, and if he is meditating RUN AWAY FROM HIM ITS NOT THAT HARD
Tegash1 votes"just run away from yi, it's not that hard."
if you run, he'll just end meditate and AA and Q you again. with the current essence reaver his q is on a 3 second or less cooldown
it happens quite often at low elo, just like how lots of people blow everything on an ulting tryndamere at low elo. it's a panic reaction. it's why theyre used for BOOSTING.
he has a huge movespeed and attack speed steroid, is immune to slows, and can dodge hard cc with one button.
run away from yi, he says. it's easy he says.
Frontline Fury4 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tv86tpGi,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-06-22T19:39:22.107+0000)
Hit him with any single spell. He has like 1500hp and like 30 resists. Maybe 40. 3 full expensive items + boots and nothing to survive? Not even a QSS? He should be dead before he even gets near you.
Thing is, he is usually 2-3 levels above everybody else and has very high scaling base stats, coupled with slow/disable immunity, untargetability, 2.0 attack speed without attack speed items and so high movement speed nobody can outrun him.
You wont have the damage to burst him down. By the time you get this damage, he typically has more of his build filled in - with items that provide health and resistances, negating your burst damage.
"He should be dead before he even gets near you" He ults, flashes close enough to Q on top of his target and kills them in three basic attacks - roughly 0.4 seconds. He also has four teammates you have to worry about as well, which may also require whatever cc your champion has at hand.
Point is, at the moment counterplay to Yi depends solely on Yi making mistakes. You can't outplay him because he outstats everybody else than Fizz and Camille - even Jax struggles against him.
MLDzXnRRR1 votes[{quoted}](name=Pika Fox,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tv86tpGi,comment-id=000200010000,timestamp=2018-06-22T19:39:22.107+0000)
Hit him with any single spell. He has like 1500hp and like 30 resists. Maybe 40. 3 full expensive items + boots and nothing to survive? Not even a QSS? He should be dead before he even gets near you.
Yi's base hp lvl 1 is not the greatest, but he is in the upper tier in hp per lvl and has meditate. The whole - Yi is squishy is nonsense. Check his base stats - lvl 1 he has as much armor as other tank junglers like Zac, Amumu and as much as fighters like WW and Lee. He has actually the 11th highest hp bar lvl 1. Lvl 18 - 25th position as hp. Lvl 18 armor - 84 which is not great. Trynda (often being called having great base stats has 85 armor, which is also low, so this is another myth - he has great base hp, his armor is garbage - I guess the balance team wants melee DPS characters to be weaker to other autoattackers). 53.4 mr lvl 18 - the majority of champions have this (mages/enchanter supports and adc have 38.5), so - he is the same as everyone in this regard. Only Talon has higher base MR.
Stop spreading the myth that Yi is squishy - he is in the upper level tankiest champs by base stats and his bruiser build is decent and more reliable than the crit build.
Pika Fox2 votesCool, let me know when base stats allow you to survive a full mage/assassin combo.
ROX Prime1 votesLet me know when u land those skills as i use q on prediction and meditate through the rest.
Pika Fox2 votesUsually do. Q prediction doesnt save you if i outrange Q, and meditate does nothing when CCd.
Sleepcoma1 votesstfu why would anyone use their whole burst on yi while hes meditating... if he used q on one of your skills then HE OUTPLAYED YOU GET OVER IT, outplay potential is healthy for this game
Daddy Ants1 votes[{quoted}](name=Frontline Fury,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=Tv86tpGi,comment-id=00020001,timestamp=2018-06-22T19:34:12.694+0000)
Ah yes, build health against him. Great idea! That's
Let's not forget this glorious little thing, too. https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/leagueoflegends/images/f/f2/Lethal_Tempo_rune.png/revision/latest?cb=20171126182145
- Physical Damage. Reduced by Armor.
- Physical Damage. Reduced by Armor
Frontline Fury3 votes
Yes they are. You know what isn't reduced by armor? passive and Master Yi's wuju strike, the ability the entire post is about. If you build health, Yi benefits way more from those two items. If you build armor, Yi shreds you anyway because he deals 70% true damage.
AlienPrimate2 votesFlat true damage is still true damage. If attack speed reduction actually worked you would have a point, but I could be Malphite with Randuin's and Frozen Heart and he would still have 2.5 attack speed after I use E on him. The last time I played against him, I was Alistar and he killed me in 2.2 seconds during my ult while I had thornmail and ninja tabi. He did 1600 true damage in 2.2 seconds. Yi is to the point that it almost takes invulnerability to deal with him in the form of Tryndamere, Kayle, or Taric.
Sleepcoma1 votesI mean his job is to kill tanks
Bhagswag1 votesWhat's a tank's job?
Sleepcoma1 votesfrontline, cc, and peel for your backline
Bhagswag2 votesWhat does frontline mean? It means to be a massive meatshield for your team, to buy them time to kill the damage dealers. Yi's true damage means there is no enemy frontline.
LordGeovanni1 votesTHISSSSSSSSS. Nobody's job on any game ever is to kill tanks because its a tanks job to soak ANYONES damage.
KING66195 votesYou Can CC HIM (TANK ADC) You Can DPS HIM (TRYND FIORA KAYLE ILLAOI CAMILLE JAX) You Can One Shot HIM (EVELYNN ZED KHAZIX VEIGAR) You Can BAN HIM (FOR NOOBS LIKE YOU and other people that still build botrk on yi)
Frontline Fury2 votesYou Can CC HIM (TANK ADC) You Can DPS HIM (TRYND FIORA KAYLE ILLAOI CAMILLE JAX) You Can One Shot HIM (EVELYNN ZED KHAZIX VEIGAR) You Can BAN HIM (FOR NOOBS LIKE YOU and other people that still build botrk on yi)
You can't cc him, because he can turn untargetable, he can flash and he can have allies help him out (Morgana, or any support capable of building shielding + mikaels crucible.)
You can't dps him because he oneshots anyone that builds damage. You can't oneshot him because he oneshots anyone that builds damage. Veigar is a reasonable exception - although just like all of the assassins, Yi's W negates their burst damage along with whatever tank items he builds after his 2 or 3 damage items.
You can ban him, but it shouldn't be necessary - you shouldnt be required to ban a champion to be able to play the game. Leaving Yi open means he gets picked on one of the teams - thus you have to play one of the few champions capable of locking him down or bursting him down to have a chance.
Wacky91 votesYi needs the True Damage, because otherwise one person with a little bit of armor and some CC could kill him.
Kurt Hyzan2 votes
I could say the same about her
+ Conqueror + 
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Flavi Kang3 votesWhy the fuck would you even take smite and buy bloodrazor on jinx? Why is this upvoted?
Why the fuck are you comparing a melee autoattack tank shredder to an adc?
And if you take conqueror on jinx, then I got bad news for you........................
Kurt Hyzan6 votesYa dumb fuck. His post was literally directed to any AA-reliant champion. Does any adc really require true damage ?
"someone with a bit of armor and some cc could kill him", no you had ton of armor pene, and
