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Why I use Runic Echoes on Rammus

Mister Modesty··4 votes·924 views

Rammus is recommended to build Cinderhulk- as most tanks are. But, I've found Runic Echoes to be far more effective for his kit.

A- Rammus' abilities scale off his Ability Power. Runic Echoes gives AP. B- Runic Echoes builds stacks with movement. Rammus Q (Powerball) enhances his movement. So Rammus can charge Runic Echoes with Powerball, and ram an enemy once it's filled for more POW. C- Runic Echoes procs of Rammus' W (Defensive Ball Curl). This means if Rammus has Thornmail, a maxed W, and Runic Echoes- the first person to hit him is in for some serious trouble. D- Rammus' Taunt doesn't deal damage, therefore the Runic Echoes won't proc until they hit his Defensive Ball Curl.

Basically, Cinderhullk is destructive to Rammus. Granted, he burns nearby enemies over time- but Rammus utilizes the Echoes damage much better. Rammus can come in with an Echoes charged, and punish the enemy team more quickly- before peeling off with his Q to charge Echoes some more, and come back for another explosive tank-session.

Rammus Jungle excels off 3 items. item 1410 item 3075 item 3742

Okay Rammus

7 Comments

JayHog19922 votes

I guess that's why they're nerfing the item?

LazyW0lf2 votes

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I guess that's why they're nerfing the item?

A better response would be to buff Cinderhulk. Most tanks in the Jungle are using Runic Echoes and Sunfire cape because of the easier clear plus the movement speed. Champs that come to mind are Amumu Gragas Maokai Nautilus Rammus Sejuani Shen Zac . I personally think Runic Echoes is in a fine spot, it's just being abused by tanks because Cinderhulk is trash compared to the other options.

JayHog19921 votes

Guess that make sense. Was trying Teemo jungle today and was worried that the Runic Echoes nerf would affect me trying him for the first time.

Lucky, that was not the case.

LordGeovanni2 votes

abused is a bad thing to say. they are ap based tanks. can they not build any ap? are they not allowed?

LazyW0lf1 votes

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abused is a bad thing to say. they are ap based tanks. can they not build any ap? are they not allowed?

It's not that they're not allowed to build it, the problem comes from the fact that there are 4 jungle enchants to fit each type of champion that jungles. Cinderhulk is meant to be a tanky jungler's enchant, as it helps with clears which some of them lack and it adds on % health so they can effectively stack resistances, but Runic Echoes and Sunfire combo help their clear speed much more than Cinderhulk does and with the added bit of damage and movement speed to boot.

I agree maybe the word "abuse" was a bit too harsh, but the fact that Cinderhulk is such a trash tier item that it forced Runic Echoes to become popular on tanks, thus nerfing Runic Echoes, is where the problems come to light.

LordGeovanni1 votes

if they are willing to sacrifice the tankyness to get what they think they need or want whats the problem other than them not going in the cookie cutter build path people expected its not creating toxic game interactions just unexpected ones. cinderhulk is bad cause its weaker than sunfire cape and the item itself and most items that give health that it interacts with have been nerfed in the past year and in this fast damage meta tanks dont have many options to hybryd damage and defense it doesnt have to be big but when ever carries touch em it gets nerfed

Dunkrius2g1 votes

Make the scaling off of their max health. Simple buff and will be worth getting over runic echos. Hire me Riot

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