What is the main thing supports need? Strong bases.
What is it that the mage supports have? Strong bases.
If the classic supports can't keep up, what's wrong with them? Their early games aren't up to snuff.
Buff their bases.
k wìx3 votesIt's not that simple. Buffing classic supports could do more harm than good. I also still think most 'classic' supports are completely viable right now. In short, classic supports are not the problem. The problem is a lot more complex than that. If any support archetype needs help right now, its tank supports. They are straight fucked, and not equipped to deal with a AP-Poke meta.
i'm not really sure what the solution is, it could be a lot of things, from new items to a new vision game - but ultimately, the problem is just more complex than your letting on.
chipndip11 votesIt is, but if I tried to make a long piece on different problems in the support role, from appeal to the meta, no one would read that shit.
1wolfpack2 votesif you combine "classic" supports utility with high bases then you'd have the opposite happening with these classic supports moving into solo lanes.
chipndip11 votesSo let them get blatantly outclassed in the one thing they do? Got it.
XxxLumberJackxxX2 votesPeople realized death is the best form of c.c. I'm guessing the vanguard rework will help a little
chipndip11 votesHow will a top lane oriented rework help bot lane's meta?
50000000000000001 votesVanguard support isn't unheard of. Leona, Nautilus, and even Malphite has seen some support play. With the rework, it might not be uncommon to see things like Amumu or Sejuani support, too. And most likely, Wardens will make use of new items too, which would benefit Thresh, Braum, Tahm, etc.
chipndip11 votesThe new items will be primarily geared to solo laners, so I doubt this will help tank supports in the long run.
Amumu or Sej support? I'ma be nice and pretend you never said this.
Still doesn't solve the issue of other supports starting off too weak in comparison to mage variants.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteslol ive seen it in games ...
chipndip11 votesI've seen Sej once. Not like she won, though, so point stands.
50000000000000001 votesItems like Locket and Knight's Vow are geared towards supports, but still get picked up on solo laners. We really don't know what's gonna happen yet until we get more details.
And yes, champions who aren't traditionally played supports may be played supports due to some changes in their kit and itemization. Like pretty much every single mage support being played now. You'd react the same about Malzahar support couple patches ago.
They're doing some work on tank stats overall, so there may be new ways for tanks (and tank supports) to survive early game better. We just don't know much about what's gonna happen yet.
chipndip11 votesItems like Locket and Knight's Vow are geared towards supports, but still get picked up on solo laners. We really don't know what's gonna happen yet until we get more details.
Doesn't matter. Locket isn't a "tank support" item. It's an "overpowered as fuck" support item. EVERYONE builds it. Anything they do for Locket will Enchanters even more than it will tank supports, seeing how Enchanters build heal/shield passives while stacking the same stats they do because Riot knows fuck all about getting people to build their intended stats.
Besides, these are defensive items, and the rework is geared towards offensive tanks. Why would they look at either of these items?
And yes, champions who aren't traditionally played supports may be played supports due to some changes in their kit and itemization. Like pretty much every single mage support being played now. You'd react the same about Malzahar support couple patches ago.
There's no reason why Sej, a scaling, melee, tank support, would be strong as a support, where you need to be an early game champ to do well.
Same for Amumu. Even more so for Amumu. I shouldn't have to type this out.
They're doing some work on tank stats overall, so there may be new ways for tanks (and tank supports) to survive early game better. We just don't know much about what's gonna happen yet.
That's really the only hope anyone has to bank on in this situation. Even then, this is geared towards offensive, solo laning tanks.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 voteslol yet they ( riot ) did this to sona ... for months on end every one cried how broken and unfair she was and she shouldnt be able to do that much poke damage blah blah blah
but brand is ok... zyra is ok... velkoz support WITH TRUE DAMAGE is ok...
but you let sona poke a few times people cry lol
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesdownvoted again for speaking truth...
sheep dont like the herd to be disturbed
chipndip11 votesNobody cares, and that's the problem.
Same thing with Locket.
Everyone builds Rylais because it's just generally useful on every ap champ and we want nerfs.
Everyone builds Locket because it's just generally useful on every champ in the support role, period, and it's "balanced".
Support will never be a good role and shit like this is why.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesyour preaching to the choir here CHIP ... im a support player and love the role and playing it...
chipndip11 votesAll there is to preach to. Anyone else and I get downvote slapped in the face.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo1 votesman who are you talking to about downvotes ...
do you know who i am ? lol
Gear Kitty1 votesCorrect.
It used to the that Bot Lane was a mirrored dichotomy. ADCs had pisspoor early game and needed to be babysat 100% of the time to survive and farm up. Supports had great early games that fell off pretty substantially as the game went, but those early levels were enough to get them and the ADC out of the laning phase.
People clamored for Supports to be more useful in late game, so they lost bases for scalings. Except, bases were all they had, and their scalings all underperform too because a Support isn't allowed to solo lane. So we're stuck in the hell hole of mid lane mages being just as, if not more, equipped to protect an ADC while having good scalings. On the other side of the street, Supports get nerfed to the ground the moment they gaze at another lane to play in.
zarxus12341 votesBecause there are actually fun, and you can have an impact on the game as a mage support.
chipndip11 votesNo one will listen to that so I'm taking baby steps.