I don't think Riot understands the definition of "Tank" when it comes to balance.

Packun Flower··6 votes·497 views

Tank characters are supposed to get beefy, i understand. They get alot of HP and armor/MR and hold the front lines while peeling for your adc. They soak up damage while using their utility to help their team.

Is that not what a tank is? Am I wrong? Isn't that how everyone classifies tanks?

So why does every champ that's listed as a tank in this game pack so much power they can single handedly win team fights? If your going to call someone a "Tank" then you cant give them power behind their survivability it just doesn't make sense, its throws any balance their was away. Survivability + Raw damage =/= balanced.

Illaoi Hecarim Garen Darius DrMundo Chogath Leona Renekton (( TahmKench <==== Especially this asshole)) Volibear MonkeyKing Warwick Udyr Nasus Sion Maokai Malphite JarvanIV Sejuani Shyvana

These are all champs that get incredibly tank but can also burst down most champs in a single combo. Throw in stuns and snares and all that other crap ton CC and you have a real problem. How do you honestly fight champs like these? champs that can dive in to an entire enemy team and also be the main source of damage?

One of the first rules of league i was taught when I started was "Never focus the tank, take out the damage dealers like the ADC or the mid laner."

But what do you do when the damage dealers ARE the tanks? There is not a whole lot.

17 Comments

TehNACHO11 votes

OP complains about tanks.

Puts Fighters and Juggernauts in his list of champions to complain about.

I don't think you even understand the definition of what a Tank even is, dude.

Packun Flower2 votes

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OP complains about tanks.

Puts Fighters and Juggernauts in his list of champions to complain about.

I don't think you even understand the definition of what a Tank even is, dude.

They are still tanks, they get a shit ton of survivability regardless and rush in to the front lines. That's a tank to me. HP+Armor+MR+ crap tons of damage, all of them display that.

TehNACHO9 votes

Except the champions you are complaining about don't even match up with your definition of a Tank.

In what world does Illaoi have the tools to peel for the ADC, let alone come with any defensive based utility?

Packun Flower2 votes

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They are still tanks, they get a shit ton of survivability regardless and rush in to the front lines. That's a tank to me. HP+Armor+MR+ crap tons of damage, all of them display that.

LOL shes listed as a tank in the LoL shop.

IronwallJackson6 votes

Tank is her secondary role, like all the other juggernauts. Her primary role is Fighter.

Critmaster Garen7 votes

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Tank is her secondary role, like all the other juggernauts. Her primary role is Fighter.

i honstly think they need to remove that tank tag from the juggernauts. its misleading. theyre heavy fighters who are low on mobility and more beefy in return. thats it.

IronwallJackson1 votes

Honestly, I reckon that that's there for newer players to give them the idea that they should be built tanky.

TehNACHO9 votes

Alright here we go: Illaoi Juggernaut Hecarim Dive Fighter Garen Juggernaut Darius Juggernaut DrMundo Acts like a Juggernaut Chogath Actual tank that just happens to have a hybrid AP build Leona Tank that doesn't even do that much damage in the Support role Renekton Dive Fighter TahmKench Tank that does do damage Volibear Acts like a Juggernaut MonkeyKing Dive Fighter Warwick Dive Fighter Udyr Acts like a Juggernaut Nasus Juggernaut Sion Doesn't even do much damage wtf Maokai Same boat as Cho'Gath Malphite Same boat as Cho'Gath JarvanIV Dive Fighter Sejuani Barely a Tank due to her surplus of Fighter based qualities Shyvana Dive Fighter

Only one problem champion that Riot is already aware that his damage may be iffy for his job TahmKench, or one champion that only barely fits the bill that your thread is complaining about Sejuani. The rest of these champions either have damage based off builds, don't do much damage in the first place, or aren't even tanks.

Penns1 votes

Cmon man lol... They are all tanks, at least semi- tanks with full qualities of tanks (at least most of them). Can we not make such a big deal out of someone not saying "tanks/ fighters/ bruisers/ juggernauts" when they just mean champs that are tanky?

And if they are not tanks but still have all qualities of a tank (suvivability and CC), doesnt that make them even more op? Because they are fighters with a lot of damage AND tanks?

TehNACHO7 votes

Except that was never the argument OP is making:

Tank characters are supposed to get beefy, i understand. They get alot of HP and armor/MR and hold the front lines while peeling for your adc. They soak up damage while using their utility to help their team.

Illaoi for example literally has none of the defensive features of a Tank you or OP are pointing out. OP even goes specifically out of his way to use the legitimate definition of a Tank instead of complaining about champs that just happen to be Tanky. This is not a matter of semantics at this point, we know what OP is complaining about and we know that he is wrong.

Penns1 votes

Illaoi doesnt have utility, but she can peel for her carries with damage. And bruisers like Darius or Garen can soak up damage just as well as "tanks", if not even better. And he isnt wrong at all. Even if most champs he listed arent "tanks" (if their secondary role is "tank", why cant people call them tanks?), they are still tankY, they still build no, or just one, "damage" items. So why should they be allowed to have such high damage? I understand champs like Illaoi that pay with mobility and utility, but some dont do that.

ModKnightsKemplar4 votes

Tanks in lol have either strong utility or some damage.

The problem with them just being tanky, and nothing else, is that the enemy can just ignore them. That would lead to tanks being useless.

Maximum Morde3 votes

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Tank characters are supposed to get beefy, i understand. They get alot of HP and armor/MR and hold the front lines while peeling for your adc. They soak up damage while using their utility to help their team.

Is that not what a tank is? Am I wrong? Isn't that how everyone classifies tanks?

So why does every champ that's listed as a tank in this game pack so much power they can single handedly win team fights? If your going to call someone a "Tank" then you cant give them power behind their survivability it just doesn't make sense, its throws any balance their was away. Survivability + Raw damage =/= balanced.

This is not a tank.

http://www.military-today.com/apc/type_96_apc.jpg

This is a tank.

http://www.military-today.com/tanks/m1a2_abrams_l5.jpg

Can you see the difference?

Chespin20132 votes

lol wut I don't think you know what a tank is most of those guys on there are not tanks like only these guys are really considered tanks Chogath Sejuani Sion Maokai Malphite and even JarvanIV to a extent. Most of what you put on there are juggernauts and fighters champions that are known to be tankish and still deal damage. Just because a champion has a bunch of hp and resistances doesn't make it a true tank. Look at a champion like Nautilus who has so much damn CC and natural tankiness that is a true tank meanwhile look at someone like Hecarim who only has like 2 means of CC in his kit and needs items to make himself tankier he is a fighter. The only champion really that probably needs to be looked at for his damage is TahmKench and even he has only 2 forms of CC so he is not exactly a true tank. Tanks are champions that have natural tankiness in their kits with a lot of CC in them champions like Renekton or DrMundo are not tanks.

junglerboy161 votes

(Survivability+Raw damage)-Utility=Balanced (Raw damage+Utility)-Survivability=Balanced (Utility+Survivability)-Raw damage=Balanced

When you break that basic set of guidelines, that is when champ become broken. The thing is, no champ lacks in one of those departments entirely, they are more like a set of sliders that need to be adjusted to maintain balance.

Sona Ping1 votes

Zombongo (NA)

Serious talk: How can you expect anyone to respond to this thread?

I know you might be going for a point and exagerrating to serve that purpose. BUT When you write things like "a tank in this game pack so much power they can single handedly win team fights?" and "[tanks] can also burst down most champs in a single combo." and then

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Illaoi Hecarim Garen Darius DrMundo Chogath Leona Renekton (( TahmKench <==== Especially this asshole)) Volibear MonkeyKing Warwick Udyr Nasus Sion Maokai Malphite JarvanIV Sejuani Shyvana

make a list where over half the champions are not even tanks, people can't take the thread seriously and respond to what concerns you have.

I want to discuss this with you, but how can I when I would have to spend the entire time discussing things you wrote that are blatantly false?

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