The same people who keep chanting "Give us a tank meta!"...

Mira Arya Enthe·Feb 20, 2017·62 votes·4,963 views

...are the ones who say Poppy being strong is cancer...

http://i.imgur.com/IH4fZyx.gif?1

...so one of the best specimens of a tank(beside Sion) being too strong cancer, but you want a meta full of unkillable walls of ambient damage being played in 2-4 roles on each team?

Sorry, I don't want a tank meta, or an ADC meta, or a lethality meta. I want a healthy and balanced meta. Where having a tank or two on your team is viable and valuable, but no single class is crowding out all the others.

Then again, during every tank meta people scream for it to end... https://img.chinalovematch.net/files/blog/image/479/201104252330130546742.jpg

137 Comments

AhristocatsFeb 20, 201711 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TrqJnpKZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-20T17:29:39.505+0000)

...are the ones who say Poppy being strong is cancer...

let's suppose you're right on this one

[{quoted}](name=Mira Arya Enthe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TrqJnpKZ,comment-id=,timestamp=2017-02-20T17:29:39.505+0000) ...so one of the best specimens of a tank(beside Sion) being too strong cancer, but you want a meta full of unkillable walls of ambient damage being played in 2-4 roles on each team?

Poppy is unkillable for 10 sec and has a low counterplay high damage combo in midgame Maokai is pure cancer since they made his ulti following him, i don't fucking know who said "we're going to remove the counterplay of a champ"

i don't want anything like that

No, i want my team in each game to have at least one tank that brings cc, decent but not overbearing damage and can be unkillable for at least 5 or 6 seconds, in other words season 2 because while skarner maokai nautilus alistar rammus amumu were in the meta with bruisers in the jungle, you could still have tanks toplane like shen malphite cho

right now none of that is real nothing is viable with some exceptions, leading to 5 carry team comp and boring teamfights that lasts 1/2 of what it was before without any interesting outcome

Mira Arya EntheFeb 20, 201719 votes

So what you want... isn't a tank meta. lol

This tank meta you keep talking about is a healthy meta, I started in S2, it so far was the best season. The 3 tanks on each team meta of S4 was just as cancer as BC stacking or EoN. You keep circlejerking for a tank meta but what you really want is a balanced meta.

AhristocatsFeb 20, 20176 votes

one tank in each game is a tank meta for me, cause playing without a tank brings the following things: -game is unplayable for juggernauts, damage is too high anyway and you don't have cc. played a game of darius that made me stopped wanting to get chal until riot fixes the game, and in this game i went 3/10/7 because they had 4 ranged champs (gangplank is basically ranged+ori+ww+malz+ziggs) and we had 4 ranged champs(graves+ryze+mf+jhin)+ no cc due to graves in the jungle -teamfights are short

it's the worst meta i ever saw in league, 5 man carry lmfao

Mira Arya EntheFeb 20, 201712 votes

Tank meta was clearly when we would have teams that had...

Blue side; Sej, Shyvana and Nautilus Red side; Alistar, Mundo and Zac

That was a terrible meta, just like EoN meta is.

dragon1xxFeb 20, 20176 votes

I mean is one shot by lethality Quinn at 900 MS really as bad as having a wet noodle fight where people like AS Vayne are meta?

EDIT: I mean to say that Lethality is cancer meta.

SpoofghoulFeb 20, 20179 votes

at least i get to fight with wet noodles

this meta is just hurr durr zoom dash oneshot onto baron poof oneshot baron lets take 5 turrets cus we oneshot them all within 20 seconds because lethality and movespeed and 15 level advantage

game ends at 21 minutes if nobody went open mid after the first 5

id rather have 10 seasons of tank meta then one patch of this bs lethality movespeed snowball meta if im being honest

the season 5 ''tank meta'' is the healthiest ive seen this game ever. literally 90% of the champ roster was viable to play now we are back to 10-20% again with the exception of a few onetrick players like me still playing their main

Irelia BotFeb 21, 20175 votes

The perception of what a tank meta is kinda varies from player to player.

For some seeing 1 tank and 2 others being fairly tanky would be considered a tank meta.

ChargeItDownMidFeb 20, 20175 votes

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TurquoiseYoshiFeb 20, 20172 votes

Although to be fair, most of those "marksman metas" have had 1 marksman per team. In that case, we've been in a mage meta for quite a while as well, considering that mages have been more popular than assassins for a while now. Not only that, we could call most of League's history a tank meta, as typically teams will take at least one tank to be a front liner, either from top or jungle. A meta tends to imply a regular cycle of more than one of a class per team.

PennsFeb 20, 20175 votes

I mean, thats what tanks already do. I played like over 140 rankeds with just my main this season and I never see one that doesnt tank for at least 5-6 seconds unless he and his team are feeding. Zac is actually still broken af, some other tank junglers are good too and tanks are still the best top laners minus lethality abusers...

AhristocatsFeb 20, 20177 votes

zac is not broken, he's decent at best that's all because his early game presence+damage is so fucking low unlike other junglers like graves hecarim lee sin

PennsFeb 20, 20175 votes

Well he was legit the most broken champ in the game and perma ban/pick, then all he got was.. a little indicator to his E, so..

AhristocatsFeb 20, 20174 votes

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Well he was

PennsFeb 20, 20173 votes

Y now rito fucked up and u might as well join the lethality bros or the Iverns as jungler lol

LegitBusinessmanFeb 20, 20179 votes

Poppy is cancer because her base damage lets her one combo squishies while building full tank.

I want tank meta. The game is fundamentally healthier when tanks are in the game.

RalanrFeb 20, 20177 votes

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Poppy is cancer because her base damage lets her one combo squishies while building full tank.

I want tank meta. The game is fundamentally healthier when tanks are in the game.

Sion can do the exact same thing.

Stars ShaperFeb 20, 20175 votes

Sion doens't have an instant gap closer+stun combo though, he has to charge his Q while standing still.

RalanrFeb 20, 20174 votes

He still has the damage to do so.

LegitBusinessmanFeb 20, 201710 votes

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Sion can do the exact same thing.

Not only is that not accurate but sions Q / E / R have practical counterplay in that you can actually avoid them.

RalanrFeb 20, 20175 votes

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Not only is that not accurate but sions Q / E / R have practical counterplay in that you can actually avoid them.

It has counterplay but when you actually land everything in one rotation it freaking hurts.

Papa AndreiFeb 20, 20173 votes

Thats true about almost all champions though.

MelledoneusFeb 21, 20173 votes

Shen You're telling me I deal a whole 18% max HP damage reduced by MR if I get into melee range and land my toothpick reverse skillshot and three autos?

Fucking sign me up.

Papa AndreiFeb 21, 20172 votes

It still hurts!

just not alot.

Mira Arya EntheFeb 20, 201717 votes

Tanks in the game =/= tank meta. Tank meta, like ADC meta or Lethality meta, means that class is played in 2-5 roles on every team.

Chromatic EagleFeb 20, 20176 votes

I think what you consider a tank meta, even if correct, is different than what others consider a tank meta, where there are either barely any tanks, or they die quickly.

RalanrFeb 20, 20177 votes

"I want a healthy and balanced meta"

Don't we all.

Personally I wouldn't mind a tank meta because I am a biased tank main. Though I think most people want a tank meta because of a perception that it'll cause fights to be slower.

Mira Arya EntheFeb 20, 20177 votes

Sadly while that perception is true - fights would be slower - it also means those fights are slower because tanks are played in 3-4 roles. As somebody who loves Sejauni, Leona and Nautilus. I love tanks. That said I like peeling for my team, engaging fights and locking down assassins/carries. I do not like being one of 3 ambient walls of damage slowly mowing over 3 ambient walls of damage while an ADC and Mage dance around pretending to be relevant. It is no healthier than the meta where ADCs were in 3-4 roles every game.

ApocalypsicFeb 20, 20173 votes

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"I want a healthy and balanced meta"

Don't we all.

Personally I wouldn't mind a tank meta because I am a biased tank main. Though I think most people want a tank meta because of a perception that it'll cause fights to be slower.

My rememberance of the tank metas is that you have teams full of at least three hulking meat walls doing the damage of carries and being nigh unkillable.

Everyone's going to cry "Tank meta please!" ... Until Nautilus and Poppy are laughing under their towers having a tea party because they still killed the squishy in roughly 1-2 rotations and tanked 27 towershots afterwards just for the hell of it.

RalanrFeb 20, 20171 votes

What squishy? Team is full of tanks. :^)

ApocalypsicFeb 21, 20173 votes

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What squishy? Team is full of tanks. :^)

Ayy Lmao

nice tableFeb 20, 20177 votes

you do realize a tank meta is 2 tanks per team ... its not full of unkillable walls like it is full of adcs right now with 4 on a team at once.

chipndip1Feb 20, 20172 votes

Meanwhile, in pro play, someone tanked 31 tower shots on Nautilus and lived.

It'd be a "tank meta" if people wised up and played tanks.

RalanrFeb 20, 20173 votes

So Nautilus is doing his job?

chipndip1Feb 21, 20173 votes

THIRTY ONE SHOTS

RalanrFeb 21, 20178 votes

LATE GAME TOWERS ARE GARBAGE REMEMBER?! It's your job to protect them. Plus he was getting a shit ton of shields and heals from his teammates and juggled the aggro.

Pandemic PunchFeb 20, 20176 votes

How do you know it is the same people?

Mira Arya EntheFeb 21, 20173 votes

I've seen the exact same people on the boards complain about both. And they complained about Zac when he was viable lol. And about Sion when he was strong.

MelledoneusFeb 21, 20174 votes

I never complained about tank anything except Ekko.

ModCaptainMårvelousFeb 20, 20175 votes

While I agree with what you say, part of Riot's goal with the tank rework is to lower ambient damage, make tank damage more avoidable ala Sion.

So stuff like Sejuani/Zac/Amumu/etc. who chip away at your HP simply by existing and being withing 10 feet of you would likely go away.

RalanrFeb 20, 20173 votes

As long as we at least keep sunfire then I'll be happy. It really helps with my CS and wave pushing.

Arsenic SulfurFeb 21, 20172 votes

I want to see a new size increase stat. Discourages squishies from taking it, helps with the protecting part of the tanking job, hell it could even increase the hitbox of some tanks' abilities.

Irelia BotFeb 21, 20173 votes

We have not seen what they are doing.

I am worried about the tank items that many fighters depend on getting nerfed and then fighters in general will be left in the trash for 6 months.

CrettFeb 20, 20174 votes

I want a tank meta where tanks aren't flying into the backline and mauling the ADC; I also want a tank meta where tanks can actually TANK for a while before dying

Mira Arya EntheFeb 20, 20173 votes

Tanks being viable/valuable =/= tank meta. Tank meta, like an ADC meta or Lethality meta, means that selection of champions is being played in 2-3 roles per team every match and crowding out other options.

Starcraft243verFeb 20, 20174 votes

Nope, not the same.

There are juggernauts players, assassins players, adc players, mage players, tanks players, support/healer/peelers players but they are always nice so i'll ignore them. 5 "class" of players. If it's X meta, the other 4 classes will whine. So whatever the meta, you'll always have 80% unhappy.

Mira Arya EntheFeb 20, 20172 votes

How about a 'balanced for all classes meta'... like S2 when I cannot think of a single class that wasn't viable and added something to the team.

Starcraft243verFeb 20, 20173 votes

The truth is the game is in this state since the end of season 5 but people still believe X is meta.

Irelia BotFeb 21, 20173 votes

No idea if you were even playing back in season 2.

It is kinda hard to explain.

NodirjonSattarovFeb 20, 20174 votes

Bring on the Tank Meta. I'm ready KogMaw

Sire HippingtonFeb 20, 20174 votes

What you reffer to as a 'healthy and balanced meta' is what most people call a 'tank meta', as people for some reason start screaming tank meta as soon as more than 1 tank per team can be seen eventually. Also, just because people want tanks to be more viable/dominant/whatever doesn't mean that they can't dislike a particular tank.