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Garen and Crit/AS

Romans VI XXIII·5/30/2018, 7:34:08 PM·4 votes·2,250 views

Riot what are your plans for compensating/changeing Garen due to your latest crit item changes.

I am sure you are aware that the changes to IE and ER have now made it so that you can not get Crit strike and AD on an item, but that all crit strike items come with large amounts of Attack speed.

Now all crit items are basically useless on Garen. As a large part of their price budget is in AS and Garen currently does not use nor wants to use AS. Making it pointless to build crit on Garen any more, which in turn makes it pointless to have his E allowed to crit, which is in turn part of his power budget.

I believe it was Critmaster Garen who first suggested this, and I agree with this change. To make Garens E have AS scaling that increases how many times he deals damage. Currently it scales with lvl, and adding an AS scaling to this would give Garen more reliable build paths. Obviously balancing his power budget would be necessary with this buff, but I do not think it would require much changing. As he would be giving up tuffness/survivability in order to gain more damage if a player decided to get say statik shiv over BC.

The point of this is not to buff Garen, as this would not be a buff to the current standard build on Garen, but to continue to allow Garen to build interesting Crit builds and still be relevant.

10 Comments

Critmaster Garen5/30/2018, 9:12:35 PM4 votes

you dont need to nerf other parts of garens kit to add the attack speed scaling.

making attack speed 100% cost effective by giving him extra spins means to bring items like item 3086 to the same cost effectiveness as already existing items that garen can buy.

the idea is, that with the added as scaling, a item 3086 is just as cost effective on garen as a item 3077

where tiamat increases garens auto attack damage, his q damage, and spin damage through their ad scalings, zeal would give him the same damage by adding extra spins, and spin crits, and faster auto attacks (+ crits). he would get the same value out of both items, after adding the attack speed scaling.

all they have to do is look at how much extra auto damage garen deals over 3 seconds from bonus attack speed, and add enough spins to his e to match that extra damage.

this would effectively make crit builds as cost effective and as viable as flat ad builds on him, but not buff him overall.

his villain mechanic should be treated as a separate issue.

Gewaltherrscher5/30/2018, 8:39:14 PM2 votes

I made a similar comment in the DEV corner > {quoted}

I made a similar comment in the DEV corner Hello Stashu/Meddler and the Riot-Team, what about Garen his splitpush viablity is also getting nerfed with the Steraks-Trinity nerf and do you have any compensating for Garen because of the crit item changes. The crit items do now have alot gold effiency in AS and for Garen thats completely useless now. IMO his E should scale with AS to compensate (more AS->more dmg per tick for his spin). The ability of his E to be able to crit is now basicly useless because crit items are now useless for him.

And there was talk about adding more power to Garen that could be done with removing of the Villian mechanic which is too powerfull and unfun to play against and its randomness to target the Villian makes it also useless for Garenplayers in many cases its frustrating for both parties. So the Villian mechanic should be entierely removed and AS scaling should be added to his E to compensate the IE/ER and Trinity/Steraks that nerfed his splitpush and critbuild viability.

redniwediS5/30/2018, 7:47:04 PM1 votes

Sadly nothing is going to happen. During the Juggernaut update back in season 5 it was specifically said Garen's ability to crit on his E was not factored into his power budget. This means indirect changes to this functionality are not likely to receive any sort of compensation.

It would be nice to have some use for attack speed, but a change like this won't be a compensation change.

Deathawaitsyou6/19/2018, 7:41:12 PM1 votes

They fucking did this shit on purpose it makes me sick how riot tries to force us to play a certain way every fucking patch and season. they fucked up crit and want this season to be all about adc and dont give a shit if it makes certain champion abilities useless like garen's e