Morello or Athene's on Lux?

katt5·Oct 2, 2015·1 votes·2,694 views

When playing Lux regardless of whether I'm Mid or Support I usually build Morellonomicon as my CDR item. However, a lot of guides I have seen use Athene's.

I personally feel that Morellonomicon is the superior item. It is 400 gold cheaper and gives 20 more AP while giving the same amount of CDR and the same 100%. While Athene's does give more defensive stats as Lux you don't really want to get hit at all tbh ;p

Anyways, though, thoughts? Why Athene's over Morello or vice versa?

20 Comments

WalkingInACircleOct 2, 20152 votes

Athene's gives way more mana, and Lux usually needs it. All the moreso if you're sporting CDR runes to bring yourself to 40% CDR, which is pretty standard on Lux.

On the other hand, Athene's is a bad choice against AD champs. Rather, I'll build an item 3003 and item 3158 . But against AP I recommend starting item 3028 -> item 3285

katt5Oct 2, 20151 votes

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Athene's gives way more mana, and Lux usually needs it. All the moreso if you're sporting CDR runes to bring yourself to 40% CDR, which is pretty standard on Lux.

On the other hand, Athene's is a bad choice against AD champs. Rather, I'll build an and . But against AP I recommend starting ->

Really? I've played Lux a LOT and I've never had any issues with Morellonomicon.

I remember back when I did have mana issues it was because I wasn't using spells favorably and just spamming them for no reason (I usually only use E if I can get at least 2 minions with it or set 3 or so minions up for auto kills from passive proc and don't harass with it as often as I used to.

Personal preference, but I'd rather play conservatively with my mana and take my grievous wounds and 20 more AP ;p just my opinion though, not flaming you based on yours or something, just stating mine.

joliesseOct 2, 20152 votes

I main Lux, and I used to always build Morellonomicon as well. While looking up builds for her, I also saw that many builds had Athene's Unholy Grail instead of Morellonomicon, and I was like, why?! Morello seemed like the superior item by far, comparing the amount of AP each item provided. Now, against AD champions, I get Morello, and against AP champions, I get Athene's for the magic resist. Lux has a bit of a mana problem if you spam her spells early game though, so maybe that's something you'd take in account. Hope I helped some!

katt5Oct 2, 20151 votes

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I main Lux, and I used to always build Morellonomicon as well. While looking up builds for her, I also saw that many builds had Athene's Unholy Grail instead of Morellonomicon, and I was like, why?! Morello seemed like the superior item by far, comparing the amount of AP each item provided. Now, against AD champions, I get Morello, and against AP champions, I get Athene's for the magic resist. Lux has a bit of a mana problem if you spam her spells early game though, so maybe that's something you'd take in account. Hope I helped some!

I usually don't worry about resistances when playing as AP mages, since the entire point is to position as to not get hit at all ;p

Not sure if it's worth choosing between Athene's or Morello's based on whether the opp is AD or AP unless you get harassed a lot

joliesseOct 2, 20151 votes

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I usually don't worry about resistances when playing as AP mages, since the entire point is to position as to not get hit at all ;p

Not sure if it's worth choosing between Athene's or Morello's based on whether the opp is AD or AP unless you get harassed a lot

I'm really bad with positioning myself, haha. I always feel so tempted to get Morello's even against AP champs though...the 80 AP just looks so much better. Maybe it's just a phase though, I only started to get Athene's recently when I always got Morello's before :D

katt5Oct 2, 20151 votes

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I'm really bad with positioning myself, haha. I always feel so tempted to get Morello's even against AP champs though...the 80 AP just looks so much better. Maybe it's just a phase though, I only started to get Athene's recently when I always got Morello's before :D

Well, you should probably work on positioning then ;p

It's a very necessary skill to have especially on a squishy champ like Lux. I can still remember all the times I get too close in fights or get caught out by somebody with a large gap closer, almost every time it ends in death.

joliesseOct 3, 20151 votes

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Well, you should probably work on positioning then ;p

It's a very necessary skill to have especially on a squishy champ like Lux. I can still remember all the times I get too close in fights or get caught out by somebody with a large gap closer, almost every time it ends in death.

You're right, I really do need to work on that. That's why I play Morgana sometimes and build tank :) Lux getting caught out without her Q or not landing it is just about definite death.

DrCyanideOct 2, 20152 votes

For me, it comes down to Grievous Wounds vs Magic Resist. Which is going to be the bigger nuisance in the game, their magic damage or their sustain? Once you can answer that, the choice is simple.

Zorae42Oct 2, 20151 votes

Athene's. But I hardly ever build Morello's on anyone unless there's someone with a ton of sustain on the other team. Getting 30% of your max mana on kills/assists makes teamfighting much less stressful (assuming your team manages to down at least 1 person). And the extra mana regen it has helps if you can't get that kill/assist.

katt5Oct 2, 20151 votes

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Athene's. But I hardly ever build Morello's on anyone unless there's someone with a ton of sustain on the other team. Getting 30% of your max mana on kills/assists makes teamfighting much less stressful (assuming your team manages to down at least 1 person). And the extra mana regen it has helps if you can't get that kill/assist.

I've personally never had mana issues in teamfight since I generally wait for the entire team to group and then throw out my entire combo, usually gets everybody really low especially squishies, if i hit a squishy with everything they die ^_^

I guess it depends on how fights play out though, since I'm in low Elo teamfights are usually relatively quick and end in an ace depending on how much lockdown teams have.

Solari FortuneOct 2, 20151 votes

Morello for AD Lanes Athene's for AP Lanes Also, I like Athene's because of the mana restore on kill/assist. you can from oom to full with a few kills/assists

katt5Oct 2, 20151 votes

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Morello for AD Lanes Athene's for AP Lanes Also, I like Athene's because of the mana restore on kill/assist. you can from oom to full with a few kills/assists

H-how will you get a few kills/assists if you are oom though? xD

Solari FortuneOct 2, 20154 votes

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H-how will you get a few kills/assists if you are oom though? xD

Is your right mouse button broken? No? Unleash your inner ADC and auto attack

katt5Oct 2, 20151 votes

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Is your right mouse button broken? No? Unleash your inner ADC and auto attack

I should probably build an infinity edge or something at least to be sure to secure ks xD

FiveofswordsOct 2, 20151 votes

athenes is jsut an older item than morello so its possible that some guides simply havent been updated. But i can see reasons for either.

Lux's thing and what makes her unique among mages is that she basically spams a lot of stuff at very long range...much of it doesnt hit. but she can get people damaged enough before they engage to make engaging a mistake...its basically an extended poking process for lux for the whole game.

in order to perform this poke war, its obviously necessary for her to have max cdr, and its obviously necessary for her to have huge mana regen. Athenes has more mana regen than morellos. significantly more, because of the chalice effect (mana font).

Tweaking the damage a small amount doesnt really matter. what does matter is the spamming where you get people damaged a bit. much of your spam will simply whiff since its long range. its unlikely you kill anyone this way, but you do hope to force them away.

But anyway since the mana regen of morellos isnt bad, i could totally see why you would prefer getting that. But the damage still wont be enough that you are going to kill anyone, and the poke war cant last quite as long becuase you will go oom.

Personally, id usually prefer athenes. Its mroe likely you need to poke for an extended period, and the 2% mana regen every 5 seconds is necessary to support extended poking. If you are never going oom with moros, you probably dont spam with lux as much as you should :P But the greivous wounds effect makes some sense also...my only real qualm is that probably something like 80% of the time the damage you are doing is not on people with low health. and the of the remaining % the people are probably just going to go recall, not get killed. morellos would make you a bit more effective in teamfights, but as a poke champ direct teamfight engages are not really where lux is at her element.

Recently i use lux as support much mroe than a midlaner. In that case i do prefer moros...even though its a late buy...because you dont spam as much. you do a lot of wandering around and warding, and you dont spam q as much because often you need it on reserve in case of emergency.

katt5Oct 2, 20151 votes

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athenes is jsut an older item than morello so its possible that some guides simply havent been updated. But i can see reasons for either.

Lux's thing and what makes her unique among mages is that she basically spams a lot of stuff at very long range...much of it doesnt hit. but she can get people damaged enough before they engage to make engaging a mistake...its basically an extended poking process for lux for the whole game.

in order to perform this poke war, its obviously necessary for her to have max cdr, and its obviously necessary for her to have huge mana regen. Athenes has more mana regen than morellos. significantly more, because of the chalice effect (mana font).

Tweaking the damage a small amount doesnt really matter. what does matter is the spamming where you get people damaged a bit. much of your spam will simply whiff since its long range. its unlikely you kill anyone this way, but you do hope to force them away.

But anyway since the mana regen of morellos isnt bad, i could totally see why you would prefer getting that. But the damage still wont be enough that you are going to kill anyone, and the poke war cant last quite as long becuase you will go oom.

Personally, id usually prefer athenes. Its mroe likely you need to poke for an extended period, and the 2% mana regen every 5 seconds is necessary to support extended poking. If you are never going oom with moros, you probably dont spam with lux as much as you should :P But the greivous wounds effect makes some sense also...my only real qualm is that probably something like 80% of the time the damage you are doing is not on people with low health. and the of the remaining % the people are probably just going to go recall, not get killed. morellos would make you a bit more effective in teamfights, but as a poke champ direct teamfight engages are not really where lux is at her element.

Recently i use lux as support much mroe than a midlaner. In that case i do prefer moros...even though its a late buy...because you dont spam as much. you do a lot of wandering around and warding, and you dont spam q as much because often you need it on reserve in case of emergency.

I wouldn't actually consider Lux much of a spam champ, while she can be played that way- I would think of a spam champ to be somebody like Nidalee, maybe.

In general my aim with Lux isn't to spam skills. Generally I try to farm as much as possible in lane while avoiding harass and I only use E if I manage to use Q first so I can proc passive from Q then throw E and try to proc passive from that as well, since it does quite a bit of damage. Otherwise E isn't worth the mana to harass with it in lane since you don't have many AP items yet.

At 6 I usually try to land snare and go into full combo even if I don't get a kill I can usually force the opposing laner to back, then I can just keep farming. I usually go back when I can afford to buy Morellos so I can go back into lane with some AP and also 20% CDR.

I think of Lux as much more of a combo-oriented champion, in general my aim is to use my Q and if I make a pick with it and land on their ADC or w/e I can kill them with the rest of my combo (easier than it should be since I'm in silver lol). In teamfights I think the best thing to do with Lux is to wait until the opps are grouped and then throw combo on all of them to do the most possible damage. I prefer not to spam skills in case I need my Q or E to peel for me or my team.

So, yeah, I don't really consider being able to spam skills at range Lux's shtick, I consider her much more of a combo-oriented champion.

CatastropOct 2, 20151 votes

I just prefer the mana restore on kills/assists that Athene's offers. I can't the number of times I survived thanks to a sudden regen of my mana. I will however go Morello's if the enemy team had high sustain.

katt5Oct 2, 20151 votes

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I just prefer the mana restore on kills/assists that Athene's offers. I can't the number of times I survived thanks to a sudden regen of my mana. I will however go Morello's if the enemy team had high sustain.

Guess Morellos is the better choice nowadays thanks to the juggernauts + tank meta ;p

Poop JellyOct 2, 20151 votes

I go Morello if im winning the lane, but generally i go for athene cus many many times I run outta mana with Lux, blue's helpful, but im such a spammer so it's not enough :P