Doen't fiora supposed to be a hard counter to mundo and chogath?

Daze Clover·May 21, 2018·2 votes·2,154 views

The combination of rushing thornmail and ignite is too strong. If I can not 1v1 them I am useless the whole game. What happened to fiora, she is so garbage. She seems okay by looking at the stats. When I play her, she can not carry. You try building carry items but still can not carry. Not only me but looking at op.gg, her winrate shows she is weak, and other fiora mains are also having trouble. That stereks nerf is going to make fiora drop even harder. Right now I feel like when you are behind as fiora, you might as well afk.

Riot pls fix this one big issue: Thornmail and ignite combo is too strong against fiora. Its like im killing myself! And fiora has to win lane to be an impactful splitpush. If you have a hard time balancing fiora why not give her another rework.

26 Comments

hi ìm grootMay 21, 20183 votes

When I play fiora I feel like a god. I think u need to work on your mechanics if ur losing those matchups.

Daze CloverMay 21, 20182 votes

https://clips.twitch.tv/CrackyPluckyStapleBuddhaBar

Hashinshin is even losing those matchup against tanks. Hashinshin is a higher elo than you! Hashinshin is top lane.

I seen your profile. Never played fiora this season and last season you had a 33 percent winrate on fiora. So who are you fooling!

meowwow7May 21, 20182 votes

if you are using hash as an example of a good top then you definitely need to work on your mechanics and macro

p.s. he was 4/10/3

Daze CloverMay 21, 20181 votes

http://na.op.gg/champion/statistics

Fiora is at 46.57 percent winrate! Every fiora player is having a hard time right now. I have numbers to back up my point. What proof do you have to back up your point that hashinshin is a bad top laner. He is top lane! You know what hashinshin said at the end of beyond the rift. He said he is top lane. Have you seen his streams, he plays variety of bruisers.

meowwow7May 21, 20182 votes

so are we just listing winrates or are we going to throw in that she has a huge pickrate for being this "bad"

Daze CloverMay 21, 20181 votes

if that the case then why did op.gg put fiora so low in the tier list

Automated RivenMay 21, 20182 votes

I'm pretty sure your just trolling now.

hi ìm grootMay 22, 20182 votes

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https://clips.twitch.tv/CrackyPluckyStapleBuddhaBar

Hashinshin is even losing those matchup against tanks. Hashinshin is a higher elo than you! Hashinshin is top lane.

I seen your profile. Never played fiora this season and last season you had a 33 percent winrate on fiora. So who are you fooling!

I play like 5 different accounts. Hashinshin can literally lose any matchup, and I have no idea why you are linking a video of him being killed by a kaisa.

Spooky PeachesMay 21, 20183 votes

Every time I talk about counters, my friends (who are better than me) say not to worry about counters.

In an ideal situation, a certain champion can "counter" another, but there are tons of other factors such as ganks or the enemy's skill level or even just pure luck that can skew this ideal situation.

There are plenty of times I've gotten fucked over by a champion I supposedly "countered".[sg-poppy]

Daze CloverMay 21, 20181 votes

Counters are extremely effective in top lane. If you want, I can give you the video where Hashinshin talked about this!

Spooky PeachesMay 21, 20181 votes

Why top lane specifically?

Daze CloverMay 21, 20181 votes

There is always 1 or 2 champions that neglects you to do anything in the laning phase. And every champion in top lane has it.

Why do think people complain about teemo, jayce, pantheon....

ZephyrDrakeMay 21, 20186 votes

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Counters are extremely effective in top lane. If you want, I can give you the video where Hashinshin talked about this!

he talks about everything, doesn't mean anything at all. Hashinshin is someone who rather have everything that beats him be nerfed to oblivion and everything he plays be buff to god status. he rarely changes his build or does anything new. He plays exactly the same in pretty much every single scenario and then gets surprised when things don't go his way even though he was in no position of making whatever he was trying to do work

Daze CloverMay 21, 20181 votes

No way is this true, he is diamond. Please look at your elo before talking bad about hashinshin!

ZephyrDrakeMay 21, 20184 votes

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No way is this true, he is diamond. Please look at your elo before talking bad about hashinshin!

I will talk bad abut a terrible top laner. I do not care that he is diamond. He can be challenger for all I care. He does the exact same thing over and over, complains about the exact same things over and over even though he caused the situation he was in to begin with. He has no idea what adaptation means. I have seen his play, I have seen other people streaming in matches where he is in and they all have the same groan whenever they are paired with him and they all know what he is going to do and how he is going to do it. He does the same thing, acts the same way and then gets surprised when it doesn't work. He can fall behind and still build like he is ahead and still play like he is ahead and whines every single time he dies because he decided that doing the exact same thing that he does while ahead is going to work in the exact same way when he is behind.

You can idolize Hashinshin all you want, that doesn't mean he is what you should be aspiring to be if you actually want to be a good top laner. If Hashinshin didn't had the mechanical skills he has he would be a complete joke of a player

Daze CloverMay 21, 20181 votes

That's not hashinshin fault. Its riot fault! Top lane need more items.

Automated RivenMay 21, 20183 votes

Hashinshin is an idiot. And Fiora beats both of them.

Daze CloverMay 21, 20182 votes

Have you verse a Mundo or Chogath rushing thornmail and having ignite.

Automated RivenMay 21, 20182 votes

Have you ever gone executioner's as Fiora? Contrary to popular opinion Fiora doesn't have to build glass cannon full lifesteal to function. It's called counter building and it's useful. Fiora Is one of my highest played champs and I would always choose to be her in those matchups then the other. Being able to completely negate Cho's kit is pretty powerful.

Daze CloverMay 21, 20181 votes

What are you talking about, highest played champs! This season you only played about 10. And you are a silver like me. I do not see any fiora player get executioner. I only see adc's get that item.

Automated RivenMay 22, 20182 votes

Idk where you are getting your info from, I'm really curious as to your source considering I haven't played any ranked at all this year. That and I do have multiple accounts. Fiora iirc on this account has about 100k mastery points. Second under riven with 600k. I haven't played a ton of Fiora this year because I haven't played much this year and have been focusing on keeping my riven mechanics semi decent.

And if your vs Mundo or cho executioner's is extremely vauleble because of their built in sustain. Don't worry about what dipshits in silver build. Build what you need to to win.