How do i play as vayne against rework ashe?

52409615_DEL··2 votes·2,475 views

Hey guys whats up. So i have been a vayne main for a while now, yes i know she’s currently considered bad in solo Q and all that jazz. Ashe has always given me a bit of trouble in lane as vayne, but if i played correctly and got a nice condemn folowed by ult on her, it usually was enough to kill her, or atleast i felt like i could somewhat trade, often times would win lane. After the Ashe rework i absolutely cannot play this match up, so i set up a custom with a friend, we made a custom match and did a 1v1 me as vayne him as ashe. I’m not a challenger vayne pro or nothing even close, but she is the champion i have the most games played with like maybe around 300 games, and my friend has maybe 5 games played as ashe, and generally does not adc ever. We played 2 games and he absolutely shit on me, while hes a great top laner and jungler i found it odd that he could beat me, so did he, it felt like i lost every trade at every point of the game (lvls 1-14). So we set up the ideal scenario, after i have Bork and berseker greaves he would let me auto, condemn him in to a wall and tumble proc 3 silver bolt, to then actually fight back, even with this utopic idealistic scenario, ashe would still shit on me o.o like...wtf happened to this champ? Like after the condem play and continued autos, with little to no effort he would bust me down to no hp and i would die ._. .... So if any of you who are higher lvl vayne players or support mains who have observed vayne players successfuly beating the new ashe, what suggestions can you give me? Like how do i lane vs ashe now? When are ashe’s power spikes? When am i stronger? When can i all-in duel her? How do you beat this champ as vayne?

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Dr Poro1 votes

You try not to feed ashe. Don't battle her until lategame. Ashe is currently OP in all stages of the game: She has the highest DPS during early and midgame and her ult is amazing for teamfights. On top of that, she has one of the highest AA ranges in the game and a long distance AOE poke that is nearly undodgable.

Your only chance is that Ashe is stupid and either goes in 1v2 or gets caught in the lategame. Another possibility is that your jungler is doing well and is able to gank botlane when ashe is pushing.

Amelie1 votes

This might be really bad advice because I haven't played Vayne seriously in a long time, but have you tried going Bloodthirster instead of Bork? And maxing Q first for trades? It's such an old-school Vayne playstyle, but I feel like this MIGHT help you trade better in lane because it's more burst damage (and sustain). Maybe you can try it in a custom game and post results.

52409615_DEL1 votes

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This might be really bad advice because I haven't played Vayne seriously in a long time, but have you tried going Bloodthirster instead of Bork? And maxing Q first for trades? It's such an old-school Vayne playstyle, but I feel like this MIGHT help you trade better in lane because it's more burst damage (and sustain). Maybe you can try it in a custom game and post results.

it's still done, mostly by vayne players who can't orb walk very well, because to even make use of the extra AS you have to be very VERY good with her, so i see ppl building BT on her first every now and again and it seems to work for them, i just might try this vs ashe, considering you can't rl get to many procs off and trade with her, might as well max Q and take BT flat AD runes

morgana danger1 votes

Hello, Ashe main here. A good Ashe will try to land w+aa on you every time you go up to the minions, if they do that, just let their wave push and farm under tower, because you literally can't win a 1v1 as a vayne. On the other hand if they stay behind their minions and just farm, wait for them to lose the stacks on the q and then burst them down.

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