[{quoted}](name=Satori The Mist ,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rNbEQzvp,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-08-30T19:44:13.509+0000)
Honestly, i remember there was such a thing as early game, mid, late, and certain champions that were considered lane bullies like cait or luc use to fall off super hard. Am i the only one who does not see that happening as much anymore? i play mostly late game carries and i'm not saying they don't scale, but it's interesting that now with much more experience in the game than before, i will often get out traded late game by cait or Jhin, and all they do really is auto and miss skill shots, but they somehow win the trade? happening kind of often, lane winners don't seem to fall off because there is rarely ever a late game anymore to begin with, and when there is, they seem just as strong. and if they actually do fall off like the theory states, could you explain to me what it is exactly? cause the dmg output is not it.
A few points here:
First, Caitlyn has a strong early - really weak mid - strong late game power curve. Just saying. I don't know Jhin as well, but it's possible he's the same.
More importantly though, the case you've given doesn't mean a champion hasn't "fallen off". If you're a squishy ADC and you take an auto attack from the enemy ADC without dealing one back (or trading 1 for 2, etc...) then you're going to lose that trade. An ADC can auto 1000+ damage in the late game, which is easily half of your health bar. Add on that the other guy may have lifesteal, and a one auto difference can easily result in one ADC being nearly full while the other is nearly dead, regardless of who each is. That doesn't mean they haven't fallen off though - ADCs aren't supposed to be attacking eachother in the late game. They're supposed to be trying to survive the assassins while they burn down the front line. A Vayne or a Kog'maw will still do that a whole lot better than a Sivir or a Lucian will.
That also said, it's pretty hard to compare ADCs in the late game from a "one game experience" perspective. All ADCs are supposed to have a strong late game to some extent, so in many cases it will come down to who's ahead, who has better peel, who has better positioning, etc... That doesn't mean it isn't a lot easier for a Kog'maw to clean up a teamfight when he has some peel compared to a Lucian though, just that it means a Lucian who is positioned better and a bit ahead can still beat the late-game Kog'maw consistently.
As much as bulk statistics can be misleading, I would say looking at ADCs win rates across game length is useful here. Sure enough, Lucian in <25min games but falls off hard after that. Kog'maw does much better in 30-35min games than he does in the short ones. Tristana is all over the place. Jinx falls off as the game goes on (very surprising, but likely due to her lack of mobility she gets caught out once and loses if it goes too late). Sivir actually does a lot better as the game goes on (I guess my analysis above is flawed? must be her ability to force a favorable fight when her team has the chance to win). Jhin falls off pretty hard. etc...
Overall though, I think the "strong-early weak-late" applies WAY more to top laners and junglers than it does anyone else. Basically because early game bullies are often not a great part of a teamfight comp. Not because the champion can't handle a 1v1 in the late game.
falls off :D
