Can we give Vayne passive 2x crit chance?

Caítlyn·May 30, 2016·1 votes·780 views

After all, its "balanced" on Yasuo.

Why not Vayne?

36 Comments

101100111000May 30, 20162 votes

Because Vayne already has an MS steroid as her passive and an AD steroid as her ult.

And true damage.

DefendedMay 30, 20161 votes

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Because Vayne already has an MS steroid as her passive and an AD steroid as her ult.

And true damage.

She was being sarcastic.

NahuiMay 30, 20161 votes

She's using satire to call it OP. Atrocity is responding appropriately.

101100111000May 30, 20161 votes

I was hoping that, like the op, my message would be conveyed without /satire.

i cri

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20161 votes

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I was hoping that, like the op, my message would be conveyed without /satire.

i cri

satire is not an excuse for this level of misinformation.

fuck that and fuck the original post.

Burn it down

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20161 votes

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She's using satire to call it OP. Atrocity is responding appropriately.

Atrocity is to fail at humor while making an argument many believe in a forum full of shit players.

Burn it down

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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She was being sarcastic.

sarcasm is not an excuse for this kindof bullshit. It deserves to go down in flames.

CaítlynMay 30, 20162 votes

Why downvotes? Because Yasuo is OP?

BlåbæretMay 30, 20163 votes

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Why downvotes? Because Yasuo is OP?

Pretty much half the playerbase mains Yasuo so no wonder there will be downvotes. His crit and shield passives are dumb as heck and should be nerfed/removed.

I also agree he's OP.

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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Pretty much half the playerbase mains Yasuo so no wonder there will be downvotes. His crit and shield passives are dumb as heck and should be nerfed/removed.

I also agree he's OP.

you should feel bad

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20165 votes

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Why downvotes? Because Yasuo is OP?

yasuo is not ranged yasuo does not get true damage by building attack speed aside from the semi true damage from his ult yasuo gets 10% reduced crits yasuo does not get near the bullshit vayne gets yasuo is not designed to fight some of the most bullshit beefcakes in this fucking game. yasuo does not get free AD yasuo does not have a stealth or a nontargeted, aa resetting dash ability yasuo cannot use his cc whenever he wants yasuo does not have 4 offensive abilities

put simply your proposition is idiotic and the comparison makes me laugh very hard at you hence why I am aggressively mocking you and very explicitly so.

gitgud

DefendedMay 30, 20161 votes

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yasuo is not ranged yasuo does not get true damage by building attack speed aside from the semi true damage from his ult yasuo gets 10% reduced crits yasuo does not get near the bullshit vayne gets yasuo is not designed to fight some of the most bullshit beefcakes in this fucking game. yasuo does not get free AD yasuo does not have a stealth or a nontargeted, aa resetting dash ability yasuo cannot use his cc whenever he wants yasuo does not have 4 offensive abilities

put simply your proposition is idiotic and the comparison makes me laugh very hard at you hence why I am aggressively mocking you and very explicitly so.

gitgud

The same thing can be said about 99% of the melee champions...

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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The same thing can be said about 99% of the melee champions...

hence why vayne does not get their abilities

Void NargacugaMay 30, 20161 votes

No its due to how your post doesn't sound sarcastic at all.

Yasuo actually deals LESS critical strike damage then other champions, except when compared to Jhin who deals even LESS crit damage then Yasuo.

A standard critical strike is 200% damage, For Yasuo this is reduced to 180, and a critical strike with Infinity Edge deals 225% damage instead of 250%. The reduction is not a subtraction to his critical damage statistic.

CaítlynMay 30, 20161 votes

Who cares? oh boohoo 180% dmg instead of 200%

This means that he can reach 100% crit chance with only 2 items, allowing him to focus on buying damage items while other champs are still buying crit.

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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Who cares? oh boohoo 180% dmg instead of 200%

This means that he can reach 100% crit chance with only 2 items, allowing him to focus on buying damage items while other champs are still buying crit.

it also means that building more crit is a bad idea probably which reduces his options. It also means that he will need more damage to match the same amount of damage with a full kit. Effectively he is only going to be very strong for the midgame as most midlaners are.

Herpderp, he does the same as everyone else, lets whine about it.

DefendedMay 30, 20162 votes

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it also means that building more crit is a bad idea probably which reduces his options. It also means that he will need more damage to match the same amount of damage with a full kit. Effectively he is only going to be very strong for the midgame as most midlaners are.

Herpderp, he does the same as everyone else, lets whine about it.

Just curious do you have a main? It's kind of hard to respect your words when you have a negative win rate in each lane and arent ranked.

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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Just curious do you have a main? It's kind of hard to respect your words when you have a negative win rate in each lane and arent ranked.

This is my main. I don't need a positive winrate to speak truth. If you don't want to accept this then just go cry more and get fucked more. Meanwhile those who do will get past this hurdle just like the other dozens of people who have done so using my advice over the past several years.

Adapt or grab your fucking ankles like the trash that cries about such things. Learn to math or blow every ranked sticker that comes and gives you halfassed logic.

By the way, this is about champion design not strategy. I suggest you learn the difference fast. I don't care how high your rank is. You can be challenger and still be a shit designer with shit suggestions like the one in the original post which may or may not have really been sarcasm. Lets hope it was.

DefendedMay 30, 20162 votes

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No its due to how your post doesn't sound sarcastic at all.

actually deals LESS critical strike damage then other champions, except when compared to who deals even LESS crit damage then Yasuo.

A standard critical strike is 200% damage, For Yasuo this is reduced to 180, and a critical strike with Infinity Edge deals 225% damage instead of 250%. The reduction is not a subtraction to his critical damage statistic.

Yasuo doing less damage on crits means nothing. I guess miss fortune is garbage than because her ult does 130% and not 250%

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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Yasuo doing less damage on crits means nothing. I guess miss fortune is garbage than because her ult does 130% and not 250%

MS fortune does that from like 1000 units away then proceeds to AS steriod the shit out of you.

MF doesnt have to knock you up to maximize her damage

MF crits outrange and hit harder.

MF doesnt have to be on top of you to deal damage

MF gets MS boosts

MF deals mixed damage so she doesnt get fucked by item 3047 outside of her ult

DefendedMay 30, 20162 votes

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MS fortune does that from like 1000 units away then proceeds to AS steriod the shit out of you.

MF doesnt have to knock you up to maximize her damage

MF crits outrange and hit harder.

MF doesnt have to be on top of you to deal damage

MF gets MS boosts

MF deals mixed damage so she doesnt get fucked by outside of her ult

You know yasuo windwalls and completely nullifys Miss fortunes ult

Mf doesnt have to knock you up to maximize her damage. Neither does Yasuo.

MF crits outrange and hit harder? No because MF has no crit scaling aside from her autos. Her Love tap doesnt crit, Her Q scale with any crit and her ult has a 80% penalty. What are you talking about.

As for the outranges. Yeah i mean.. Shes an adc...

Mf doesnt have to be on top of you to deal damage? That and outranging yasuo mean the same thing...

MF gets MS boots? No she doesnt. I get zerker greaves. Oh im a bad MF player? I have a 68% win rate on her out of about 90 games. Lolking me.

MF deals mixed damage? No she doesnt. By mixed you mean... Her E that does no damage...?

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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You know yasuo windwalls and completely nullifys Miss fortunes ult

irrelevant

jax W nullifies his crits that doesnt mean yasuo has no use. This is a bullshit strawman

Mf doesnt have to knock you up to maximize her damage. Neither does Yasuo.

false. Yasuo doesnt deal max damage through armor. I seriously don't recommend challenging this math. Its not complicated enough for another bullshit argument to work

MF crits outrange and hit harder? No because MF has no crit scaling aside from her autos. Her Love tap doesnt crit, Her Q scale with any crit and her ult has a 80% penalty. What are you talking about.

her range is 550, yasuos is definately less than this

MF's love tap can occur on top of her crits which hit for 100% rather than the 90% yasuo gets. MF will crit for 225% damage unlike yasuo who will get 180 at best with no bonus onhit effects. The difference being that yasuo will get his crits faster while adcs like miss fortune are designed to get this kind of damage later in the game.

As for the outranges. Yeah i mean.. Shes an adc...

which is why you shouldnt be comparing the two. Dont make the comparison if you don't want the obvious pointed out

Mf doesnt have to be on top of you to deal damage? That and outranging yasuo mean the same thing...

its more vague and refers to alot of things. Mostly what it means is that MF isnt going to have to chase you necessarily. Yasuo will have to compramise his position to do much to you

MF gets MS boots? No she doesnt. I get zerker greaves. Oh im a bad MF player? I have a 68% win rate on her out of about 90 games. Lolking me.

MF gets MS from her W. If yasuo can't keep up then yasuo has to use minions or whatever. He is also slower to change lanes because of this. There are alot of practical applications for move speed obviously.

MF deals mixed damage? No she doesnt. By mixed you mean... Her E that does no damage...?

Looks like they switched it again, its overwhelmingly physical now though she can go AP and deal damage with E. I wouldnt recommend trying this under normal conditions though. Maybe in hexakill where you are constantly siege'ing.

DefendedMay 30, 20162 votes

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irrelevant

jax W nullifies his crits that doesnt mean yasuo has no use. This is a bullshit strawman

false. Yasuo doesnt deal max damage through armor. I seriously don't recommend challenging this math. Its not complicated enough for another bullshit argument to work

her range is 550, yasuos is definately less than this

MF's love tap can occur on top of her crits which hit for 100% rather than the 90% yasuo gets. MF will crit for 225% damage unlike yasuo who will get 180 at best with no bonus onhit effects. The difference being that yasuo will get his crits faster while adcs like miss fortune are designed to get this kind of damage later in the game.

which is why you shouldnt be comparing the two. Dont make the comparison if you don't want the obvious pointed out

its more vague and refers to alot of things. Mostly what it means is that MF isnt going to have to chase you necessarily. Yasuo will have to compramise his position to do much to you

MF gets MS from her W. If yasuo can't keep up then yasuo has to use minions or whatever. He is also slower to change lanes because of this. There are alot of practical applications for move speed obviously.

Looks like they switched it again, its overwhelmingly physical now though she can go AP and deal damage with E. I wouldnt recommend trying this under normal conditions though. Maybe in hexakill where you are constantly siege'ing.

LOL? Ok bro. Not going to bother reading your 5 paragraphs of bullshit.

I said Yasuo can windwall miss fortunes Ult which is the reason you pick her. You said ''thats irrelevant' How the fuck is that irrelevant.

Im done.

Arguing with unranked players is the best.

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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LOL? Ok bro. Not going to bother reading your 5 paragraphs of bullshit.

I said Yasuo can windwall miss fortunes Ult which is the reason you pick her. You said ''thats irrelevant' How the fuck is that irrelevant.

Im done.

Arguing with unranked players is the best.

keep fucking around. You read it and you know it. You just can't say shit about it so you shrink back into attacking my gamer sticker collection like a little strawman spamming child.

This is a game design argument. Your rank can't save you here boy

DefendedMay 30, 20162 votes

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keep fucking around. You read it and you know it. You just can't say shit about it so you shrink back into attacking my gamer sticker collection like a little strawman spamming child.

This is a game design argument. Your rank can't save you here boy

I actually didnt read anything after the first sentence. you can write 5 more paragraphs. i will just hit reply and call you a blatant bullshitter for saying that

''Yasuo can windwall miss fortunes ult and make it non existent '' - me

''THATS IRRELEVANT '' - You.

Ok lol. Yeah man very irrelevant voiding someones fucking ult out the game is irrelevant yeah. LOL gl on your unranked journey

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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I actually didnt read anything after the first sentence. you can write 5 more paragraphs. i will just hit reply and call you a blatant bullshitter for saying that

''Yasuo can windwall miss fortunes ult and make it non existent '' - me

''THATS IRRELEVANT '' - You.

Ok lol. Yeah man very irrelevant voiding someones fucking ult out the game is irrelevant yeah. LOL gl on your unranked journey

Correct, your fucking strawman defense based off a post you pretend you didnt read to cover your ass is bullshit. Utter and complete incompetence and bullshit from some kid who doesn't understand the difference between game design and game play.

DefendedMay 30, 20161 votes

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Correct, your fucking strawman defense based off a post you pretend you didnt read to cover your ass is bullshit. Utter and complete incompetence and bullshit from some kid who doesn't understand the difference between game design and game play.

Again. I read your first 3-4 words and ignored the rest. I can promise you on everything i did not read your bullshit 5 paragraphs you wrote. I dont know why it makes you so mad. You can believe me or not idc.

But

yasuo

is pretty broken

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20162 votes

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Again. I read your first 3-4 words and ignored the rest. I can promise you on everything i did not read your bullshit 5 paragraphs you wrote. I dont know why it makes you so mad. You can believe me or not idc.

But

yasuo

is pretty broken

You ignored the rest and threw up a strawman because you have no counter or response to it. You are not equipped to speak on design so you resort to nothing more than fallacy and personal attacks.

I'm not mad and you've made no significant argument in favor of yasuo being broken. You have pointed out the difference between 1 ranged champ and 1 melee. Congratulations.

CaítlynMay 30, 20161 votes

Such a fail troll. Trying to say that MF is OP because shes "ranged".

Yasuo pressed E. Goodbye range.

CerealBoxOfDoomMay 30, 20161 votes

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Such a fail troll. Trying to say that MF is OP because shes "ranged".

Yasuo pressed E. Goodbye range.

I said MF was OP because she's ranged. Who are you referring to. I'll taunt you if you say me

Void NargacugaMay 30, 20161 votes

You forgot that it can at minimum with full channel not including the chance to crit it can deal: 900 / 1050 / 1200% AD (+ 240 / 280 / 320% AP). That is nothing to laugh at. Very few abilities can crit, and one that can crit the whole enemy team multiple times and have such insane potential damage is nothing to laugh at.

CaítlynMay 30, 20161 votes

Then Yasuo presses W and nullifies ALL that damage.

Void NargacugaMay 30, 20161 votes

If you let him windwall yeah! He does really bad against melee assassins, and many other types of champions who just take control of a lane!

Like these as just a few examples: Chogath Mordekaiser Zed Diana Swain