This stupid, toxic meta needs to end

TrikzterzArma·Aug 18, 2018·64 votes·14,615 views

I'm of course talking about the one-shot meta. There's no room for strategy or counterplay because 80% of the champions can oneshot you.

I would GLADLY have another tank meta if it means we get an end to the meta we have now. I would welcome it with open arms. The tank meta at least gave us counterplay, it gave us teamfights that lasted more than 5 seconds.

I just can't enjoy the meta we have now. I play less and less each day, and I just get more and more frustrated for each game I play. Stop adding more damage, reduce all damage, remove items that are too problematic, increase defences. Do something balanceteam, before my trust for you disappears completely. Because I promise you, if this meta doesn't end soon, I will quit the game, and I will never come back.

33 Comments

BLIGHTBRINGERAug 19, 20187 votes

it gave us teamfights that lasted more than 5 seconds.

Mine usually last about 3 seconds before everyone ends up dead lol.

Exin0Aug 19, 20181 votes

and 2,5 second from it is chasing someone who try run away :D

MasterDCloneAug 19, 20187 votes

I don't get the point of these posts lol, its very 50/50 on who likes what meta's, and if you're on the gameplay boards, its quite clear that you have a problem with the game and its usually the meta. When this meta will end and the boring ass tank meta comes back the other half of the community that have been enjoying themselves will come on the boards to complain about the lack of damage, the inability to kill tanks and why the game sucks because everygame is decided by bot lane

Dat KatAug 19, 20181 votes

Well then why not get best of both worlds? Why is it always either this or that.

MasterDCloneAug 20, 20181 votes

because then no-one will be happy because this community only sees the cons of each meta

RyzeTheSmurfMageAug 19, 20186 votes

My problem with tank meta was that some tanks were doing too much damage. I was perfectly fine with the rest.

FrozenFrostFyreAug 18, 20184 votes

I agree, im so sick and tired of seeing 5 assassins being a viable team comp that wins games.

Exin0Aug 19, 20181 votes

not only pure assassins but other champs who can achieve assassins level of burst and mobilty

420 gramsAug 18, 20183 votes

They said they're not doing any big Gameplay changes this year

TrikzterzArmaAug 18, 20188 votes

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They said they're not doing any big Gameplay changes this year

Because they're a bunch of monkeys.

AndevarAug 18, 20183 votes

Except they just nerfed domination runes hard and knocked down Wukong? Or how about them handing buffs to tanks and planning on nerfing duskblade later?

ThefrostyvikingAug 19, 20182 votes

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Except they just nerfed domination runes hard and knocked down Wukong? Or how about them handing buffs to tanks and planning on nerfing duskblade later?

Wukong nerfs didnt really address the core issue of him stacking duskblade+stormrazor....electrolute/dark harvest and just wrecking the daylight out of any squishy carry from invisibility.

BLIGHTBRINGERAug 19, 20183 votes

Tbh at this rate (I hate to be that guy to say this), but there will eventually be a new game that will grab people's attention and it will make less and less people stay interested in playing league.

It's just a mess in every way, except for the art (god bless the visual/audio design team).

This game just needs a complete redo (i'm talking about from the ground up) if they want to people keep playing it (no amount of skins, or new champions is going to fix or help ignore the fact that this game has a lot of issues), because no matter what season it is or what patch it is, it will always be based on a certain "meta" that the game revolves around, making only a small pool of champions playable.

This game is impossible for Rioters to balance because the community doesn't share the exact same preference for "Metas" and it's impossible to meet everyone's wishes.

As much as I love this game sometimes, I can see that it's not going in a good direction. A lot of popular well known/respected players (I don't feel like naming them out, just think about some that you haven't seen in a while) have quit and some are even forgotten just because they don't play the game anymore.

I think even some people in Riot already see the end coming to this game, I mean marc merrill already teased us with a potential MMO game in the future, I wouldn't be surprised if they turned their main focus elsewhere and update the game less.

HaIlMonitorAug 19, 20181 votes

The game won't be in a place that everyone like its unless they choose to cut out a small group of players for the larger player base. If they stopped doing balance around LCS and top challenger it would make lower elo (80% of the player base) enjoy the game more I am sure because then they could make more champions balanced and would cut down on others.

But things like New champs often, Large reworks on champs, New items, Deleting or changing items, ect, ect every patch or 2 will keep making people less interested. If it goes back to a full "tank" meta I may leave because to be honest being a 5/0 rengar vs a mao and having to run for my life isnt fun. Nor is playing a diver or a burst mage and the ADC has 4k hp in sheilds and gains HP when I try to burst them. I would love for the more balanced meta where any class can be good but people always go back and forth "One shot meta is DUMB!" then "Tank meta is DUMB!" it never ends.

BLIGHTBRINGERAug 19, 20181 votes

The game won't be in a place that everyone like its unless they choose to cut out a small group of players for the larger player base. If they stopped doing balance around LCS and top challenger it would make lower elo (80% of the player base) enjoy the game more I am sure because then they could make more champions balanced and would cut down on others.

I agree with reducing the balancing focus around pro play.

If it goes back to a full "tank" meta I may leave because to be honest being a 5/0 rengar vs a mao and having to run for my life isnt fun

To be honest Assassins aren't suppose to fight tanks, that's quite logical (in any kind of game).

HaIlMonitorAug 20, 20181 votes

To be honest Assassins aren't suppose to fight tanks, that's quite logical (in any kind of game).

I would say its a catch 22 though. Why should someone be so hard countered by a class that even if they are ahead they still just naturally lose?

BLIGHTBRINGERAug 20, 20181 votes

If ahead then maybe but the thing is Assassin's get ahead easily and naturaly. And if there wasn't atleast a single class that countered them then don't you think it would a little bit pointless to play anything but Assassin's?

Every class is meant to have downsides:

Mages/Marksman are countered by Tanks and Assassin's.
Assassin's are countered by Enchanter Supports, and Tanks.
Fighters are countered by Tanks and Marksman.
Tanks are countered by Marksman and heavy penetration damage (True Damage Fighters).

It doesn't make sense dynamically either, for an Assassin to be able to burst down a Tank regardless if ahead or not, however they should be able to kill them just not instantly. Why should some wildcat (Rengar for example) be able to kill a Demi-God Forge Being (Ornn for example) instantly.

This just goes to show how little effort some Assassin's need to kill someone when there are so many resources available to get higher burst (Duskblade, Dark Harvest/Electrocute, Stormrazor, Black Cleaver, Lord Dominik's Regards revert). As well as how poorly designed some of them are, due to low interactability (Rengar Q = Basic Attack Bonus damage [undodgeble], Kha'Zix Q point to click [undodgeble], Zed R Point to Click [Undodgeble] and damage unavoidable [without Zhonias] since Basic Attacks add on to the deathmark damage).

On top of all that (I know not everyone is like this) but some people who main Assassin's say that Assassin's should be able to do this and that and the eay that they say these thing suggests that they hold some sort of supremacy balief when it comes to their class, that they should be the most dominant and that they should be able to beat everyone.

OHminusAug 19, 20181 votes

Like I said before, a league MMORPG is the way to save League of Legends xd

I would even take a single player League JRPG

Exin0Aug 19, 20181 votes

first off all they need clarify for themselfs what they want and stick to it. if the want fastpace oneshot deathmatch its ok just tell it to people anyone who like it will remain others find another game now there is no direction no targeted audience one camp wait for game tilt to pure deathmatch another camp wait for game tilt to long strategic battleground and riot is oscilating between trying to cater to both sides which is creating mess. sorry for english :D

BLIGHTBRINGERAug 19, 20181 votes

Thing is they now have Nexus Blitz, a mode where it's all fast paced, meaning people constantly will be fighting (basically a battle royale). So I don't see why Summoner's Rift or even Twisted Treeline needs the somewhat similar kind of burst gameplay.

I miss 30-40 minute games.

Exin0Aug 19, 20181 votes

coz LCS unless pros go play blitz :D maybe iam wrong but i thing they change many things for sake of LCS like shortening of games, neutering tanks and supports, pushing assassins everywhere just to breake turtling and defensive play but it has oposite effect. If they want flashy a lookable pro plays they need to minimalise snowballing and punishing

FixHealsRemoveGWAug 19, 20183 votes

This "stupid, toxic meta" could have ended weeks ago if you would think about how to do it.

8.16 already is a placebo buff and Riot giving you a broad hint to start picking tanks but you still complain.

Just pick a tank.

JEEZ

What else do you want? Overbuff tanks just so every idiot finally realizes that the meta could now change?

Let me explain how the match up tank vs assassin goes, how it always went regardless of the meta. Tank buys one defensive item. Tank wins. Some tanks can even build the wrong fucking type of defense and still win, like Tahm Kench can beat AP assassins if he rushes sunfire cape. So what are you waiting for? Riot isn't gonna fix this for you, you need to play yourself.

Get your shitty narratives of the victim player outa here and just play already.

Do something balanceteam

No, the balance team can't play the game for you. Pick a tank, absorb some burst damage, gg you won the fight for your team by doing nothing.

if this wasn't clear enough then idk what to tell the boards anymore. What a joke. 38 upvotes for what? Being stupid?

SMOKE THISAug 19, 20182 votes

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My Waifu VanillaAug 19, 20183 votes

How is a tank meta any more skillful? It sure was fun when Sejuani could run into the middle of my team 1v5 and not die and then everyone was CC'ed for 10 seconds because teams had 2 tanks and whoever started the CC chain first won. We haven't had atank meta with Ornn yet and I am not looking forward to it.

Need Gold 4 TentAug 19, 20182 votes

There is no tank meta with Ornn, because when there was a tank meta with Ornn, it was an Ornn meta, not a tank meta

[sg-miss-fortune]

My Waifu VanillaAug 19, 20181 votes

I'm just making a general statement since when Ornn has been popular the closest we get to a second tank is a support bot lane. Not denying they arent tank, but they rarely get to 3000+ health with lots of resists when relegated to the likes of knights vow and zekes while being 3 levels down compared to a jungler with cinderhulk.

Mael broAug 19, 20182 votes

Now let's behonest: Who the hell wants to watch a 5k HP 250 MR and 300 armor Maokai dryhump everyone and just not die? And let's not pretend that tank meta is the solution. Because if there is tank meta, adcs get incredibly strong, especially Vayne and that's not a good thing.

TrikzterzArmaAug 19, 20182 votes

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Now let's behonest: Who the hell wants to watch a 5k HP 250 MR and 300 armor Maokai dryhump everyone and just not die? And let's not pretend that tank meta is the solution. Because if there is tank meta, adcs get incredibly strong, especially and that's not a good thing.

Rather that than the oneshot meta we have now

FixHealsRemoveGWAug 19, 20181 votes

The solution is this: Pick a well rounded team. A well rounded team usually has a tank and the most recent "meta" is not even a real meta, it's just players who forgot how to pick a good team and they call it meta and want Riot to fix it.

Tanks are always meta. Having a reliable frontline is just so important. If you don't have frontline and you fall behind, you just lose, because nobody can take the first hit, which is exactly what the recent trend was. Everyone wants to pick damage, teams are not well rounded and games are incredibly snowbally as a result.

Players want Riot to fix it, but this is bullshit. There is nothing to fix. The players need to learn. This has always been the main issue with every meta that became stale.

For every meta there is also a way out, without Riot "fixing" the game.

The DreamwalkerAug 19, 20182 votes

I agree wholeheartedly. I am really tired of the one-shot meta from literally everything, however I do not miss Leona in bottom lane. Very annoying champion, but I can deal with the constant cc if it means I can actually fight back everyone once in awhile.

(I, personally, think that damage will still be high even with the tank meta because most of the other runes that cause good damage haven't been really nerfed. Like Dark Harvest.)

EchostormxxAug 19, 20182 votes

I unisntalled today because school starts back up again and the game is just dogshit right now. I'll wait until season 9 comnes out to see if anything changes, and if it doesn't this game is going straight down the fucking gutter. I've never hated a game so much.