I think riot should delay Reksai

Linna Excel·Dec 4, 2014·1 votes·597 views

Riot partly failed to hit her theme of big angry monster. They are close, but they messed up fury on her, it doesn't feel like a proper resource and you don't have enough fun options to make use of it. You know how riot didn't get Cass right as a poison mage? It's kind of the same thing with Reksai, she feels like a monster that has fury, but not a furious monster. It's not sufficiently made use of in her kit.

If they could just add a little bit to that part of her gameplay, she'd be pretty awesome.

18 Comments

CenturosDec 4, 20143 votes

Fury is just there to be a better implementation than a stacking buff.

Linna ExcelDec 4, 20141 votes

Still, if it's going to be there, it needs to be more than what it is. As of now, Reksai is a monster who can't really use her anger all that well.

CenturosDec 5, 20142 votes

Well, look at Fury on Shyvana. It's literally just a cooldown/duration counter for her ult.

At least Fury on Rek'Sai is used for a passive heal AND for scaling damage on one of her skills. It's kind of like Tryndamere's Fury in that respect (scales his heal or his damage).

Linna ExcelDec 5, 20141 votes

I'd prefer that passive heal be on her W so she could have a proper passive.

CenturosDec 5, 20141 votes

Hmm, guess CertainlyT didn't design this one, then?

Linna ExcelDec 4, 20141 votes

Still, if it's going to be there, it needs to be more than what it is.

Sightless66Dec 5, 20141 votes

Just pretend it's named something else. It's just a bar for two of her abilities. I don't think it needs to do anything else. Thematically, it doesn't really mean that much. It's like Shyvana. Does her fury bar act as a resource bar for her? No. Does it have anything thematically to do with rage? No (Rek'sai at least bites harder with a bigger bar). It's just a way to give her a modifiable cooldown and duration for her ultimate. A visual indicator. Nothing more, nothing less.

Pretend it's called the sunflower bar instead of the fury bar.

Linna ExcelDec 5, 20141 votes

My feeling are that if you have a resource bar on a champion, the champion needs to be able to use it effectively. If riot wants to backload damage, there are more elegant ways of doing so.

Sightless66Dec 5, 20141 votes

My feeling are that if you have a resource bar on a champion, the champion needs to be able to use it effectively.

The champion does use it effectively. It is used as a source of healing and can be used at maximum to provide a major source of true damage. That's very effective. What she doesn't use it as is a resource, but that's nothing new. Neither does Trynd, or Gnar, or Shyv. For all of these champions, their "resource bar" doesn't contain an actual resource, it contains information about a modifier for one of their abilities.

The bar is just a more effective way of presenting information. No problems that I can see.

What your quote says to me is not that the champion isn't using the bar effectively. It says that it is using the bar in a novel way (even if it isn't novel), and the particular usage isn't one you like (although I still am not sure why you don't like it). That's very different.

If riot wants to backload damage, there are more elegant ways of doing so.

I actually really disagree. A lot of the way damage backloading is done as a stacking buff. This is just a more visual way of doing exactly that. It makes the information more readily avalivable by using space that otherwise wouldn't be serving a purpose. It's actually such a good idea that I think they should do it more. Riven's passive is the best opportunity. Show it on her resource bar. It would be a massive design improvement.

I just don't think the fact that she has a resource bar means that she should be designed around it. There is nothing wrong with her just having it to convey information if the rest of the kit works well, and it does. I can't really see an improvement unless we're going to just make her another "more fury = empowered abilities" person, which Renekton and Rengar do alrerady, and which I don't think would really be fun or interesting with the way the rest of her kit plays (particularly given that she has some very low cooldown abilities). Her use for it is fine.

The fury bar just isn't part of the theme. The empowered abilities aren't the main theme either. The theme doesn't need to be shifted towards them.

Rustling BushDec 4, 20142 votes

they should add cc to both her q's or atleast her underground q.

Pelican CoveDec 4, 20142 votes

They should make Fury do ANYTHING on her aside from help her heal

Linna ExcelDec 4, 20141 votes

Agreed, I'd like to see it modify her Q at least. Up the damage, add a slow to the auto attacks, increase the area you damage, etc. For her underground E it could make her gate rush go farther by 50-100 units. When she unborrows with her W she could have a bigger AoE or something.

All I'm trying to say is that after gnar who has purpose to his rage, and champs like shyv and renekton who use it as a proper resource, it's just falling flat on Reksai and for that I think they need to rework her a little because she's missing her thematic mark.

Lord DusteonDec 5, 20142 votes

For Shyvana and Renekton though it basically fulfills the same role Rek'Sai's does: to gate some of their power behind something more interesting than just a cooldown.

For Shy, the only real usage of her Fury is to get her ult up, with Fury only working as a delayer between uptime and a way to increase how long she is in ult. She could have just a cooldown and "reduced by 1 second whenever she autoattacks" or something, but Fury is more interesting.

For Renekton, his Fury is less of a dramatic change to him and more of a threat indicator : if it's full, he does more damage and has greater effects. It could be replaced by an upgraded ability after every X seconds in combat, reducing the time time it takes after dealing damage, but Fury is more interesting.

A lot of the Fury doesn't really dramatically change how you play the champion. If you have full fury as shy, the only difference is you have your ult unlocked and stronger AoE on your abilities. For Renekton, he just does more damage, with all his effects just being a slightly upgraded version of his normal ones. For Rek'Sai, she just does more damage with E and regains health after burrowing.

Linna ExcelDec 5, 20141 votes

This is a good point, but at least on those other champs it feels like it's being put to some use. Still, the more I think about it, the more it seems riot doesn't really know how to make the most the mechanic. So adding a new champ that it doesn't have any interesting uses for it, you have to ask yourself why aren't they trying to do anything new with it? Why not try to make it something that's a bigger part of the champ? At least with Shyv, it's pretty obvious when you are using your fury as a resource, with reksai her numbers, if you have them on, change color.

That's my biggest issue with Reksai. I think she's okay, but misses out on the theme it seems riot wanted her to be.

Long Dong WukongDec 4, 20141 votes

The fury is there for no reason other than to make her able to handle their fucked up new jungle. That's all there is to it. She needed free sustain in some way or another.

Linna ExcelDec 4, 20141 votes

That's the thing, they have better options and because of them going this route, it feels like she's missing out on a proper passive as well.

Lord DusteonDec 4, 20141 votes

I think Fury is only on her for two reasons. One, for early sustain, and two, so her E requires her to be in combat for a while to get the best damage.

BoulderoxDec 5, 20141 votes

i don't think people believe how strong she is currently, she shines on AS, and her knockup, she engages with her tunnel under them to jump straight to her q aoe AA which CHUNKS like a mother with a few items. her e is wonky for me as i always hit full as a camp is dead or as they hit their turret out of reach. but they are adding fury on some ability i belive i heard. Don't judge her before you get to play her, she will be like a skarner, q spam for days, tunnel is the w e for catchup. passive is fine, just makes sustain from any situation usable, get done camp, instead of losing it like any champ would going to gank, use it to heal