A bit of confusion about Ashe

Arya Riven·2/3/2017, 8:07:04 AM·13 votes·1,608 views

Ashe's artwork, lore and source seem to put her as an agile, mobile ranger. With frosty magical arrows and Queen status.

Her gameplay puts her as one of the slowest champions in the game with no way to speed herself up or get around, and even with T2 boots and a Phantom Dancer moves slower than some champions who just have boots.

I understand that she is balanced and in a healthy spot. But is this disconnect just because she is a very old champion and they don't want to change her? Because anybody who just played her in game would assume Ashe is a very slow, immobile person. When nothing thematically or in lore/art suggests so.

EDIT: Am I saying dash needs an Ashe?

Dialogue, artwork, cinematic and lore focuses on her being a ranger with precision. Many of these also suggest she can get around well. Which makes sense she leads hunting parties and expeditions into the Freljord with groups of her people.

Does that mean she should specifically have a dash?

No but it means the precision ranger style archer. Shouldn't be a slow moving machine gun turret of rapid fire.

She is as slow if not slower than Lux. A noble mage. And more of a machine gun than Jinx.

31 Comments

jr deputy meow2/3/2017, 9:29:50 AM4 votes

lol what

where was it /ever/ implied that she was mobile?

do you assume that because she has working legs she should be able to frogjump from one fountain to the other? literally all of her lore and quotes speak about her being a good and careful shot with a bow - something that you cant do while prancing around the map at mach five. if you want to talk about her not fitting her lore, the better question would be why she has all these auto attack steroids and fires arrows like a fucking machine gun when it seems more fitting for her to be carefully aiming her shots and slowly hunting a target down from a great distance.

DunkinNoobs2/3/2017, 9:37:35 AM4 votes

Permaslow Ranged Fast

You only get 2 (unless you're cancer Gnar with cancer Frozen Mallet).

Keira Helsh2/3/2017, 8:08:43 AM3 votes

Yeah, I totally agree, I would love an Ashe more in line with how she's portrayed in her art and lore

King Odin2/3/2017, 3:22:26 PM2 votes

I would have loved to see Kindred's Q on her.

Anu3isII2/3/2017, 5:42:35 PM1 votes

She moves swiftly by slowing her opponents down. Ashe may not be fast, but she is kiting people.

Also, I used to build Swiftness Boots (Pre-Nerf)+ Furor enchantment, both Phantom Dancer and Statick Shiv and used Movement Speed Runes. Alongside the usual damage items, I was literally destroying anyone who engaged me by kiting them to death.

What I want to say is that, ADCs have the tools to increase their mobility by buying the casual 2-Crit+Attack Speed items, or Armor Pen Ghostblade build. They have a hard time early game, and are supposed to position correctly to kite their opponents.

Supreme Senpai692/3/2017, 7:29:04 PM1 votes

With her slows on every auto she really can't have mobility though

Ralanr2/3/2017, 7:33:18 PM1 votes

Product of her time with a kit that's actually aged well with a slight rework.

Standgrounding2/3/2017, 9:46:11 PM1 votes

I guess she should have DDR aka dash distance reduction(dash, jump, blink... abilities have lower range.) Her AA and W could apply Slow and X% DDR(equal to her slow, maybe less, idk)

My usual Ashe: item 3031 item 3046 item 3085 item 3153 item 3142 item 3071 Penetration items give Mobility which is Defensive stat, kind of. Couple with %MS increase from PD and Hurricane + Lamentation(PD) and you have really decent agility.

Golden Tager X2/3/2017, 10:32:07 PM1 votes

Really chances are Riot did that just because the precision frost archer is pretty much Drow from Dota.

SanKakU2/3/2017, 11:04:14 PM1 votes

Aren't Swiftness Boots like...HER BOOTS? Just buy them every game? Problem solved?

xevi2/3/2017, 8:47:15 AM1 votes

Speed can also be based off of perception. To her enemies, Ashe has mobility comparable to Ahri since she slows her enemies a ton. It's like a snail (enemy) racing a turtle (ashe) racing a rabbit (ahri).

_P.S. I haven't read her lore but I'm gonna check it out now _

CancerBasedGod2/3/2017, 9:10:02 AM1 votes

Yeah they should redo her lore them. Seriously though, gameplay should clearly be prioritized over lore..

Dominick Destine2/3/2017, 4:01:37 PM1 votes

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and Queen status.

Sejuani is the true queen!

Ariel had a lovely crown for his queen status.