Assassins DON'T need Skillshot Dashes!!!

XinZhao2WinNhao·Jul 2, 2015·2 votes·1,000 views

Many people I have seen on the forums suggesting "let's make Talon's E/Katarina's E/Akali's R a skillshot". And I think that would completely cripple the champion, not because players aren't good and can't land skillshots, but because now, minions and enemy tanks can always block them from getting to the carry. Have you ever played and have been unable to get to an enemy carry because they are surrounded by minions and tanks? Well, that's why Lee Sin is always built bruiser and almost never built as an assassin silver+, since silver+ is where tanks group around the carries and carries know to stay inside the minion wave when farming. Giving an assassin a skillshot dash makes their ability to get to a carry very conditional and that makes them weak champions and nonviable assassins.

Also, skillshot dashes usually don't reset AA but targeted dashes do.

22 Comments

Noctius28Jul 2, 20151 votes

That's is kinda why people are suggesting it

No one likes playing against assassins, you never have any counterplay Hell Lee Sin as you say has to land a skillshot and he is still unbearable to play against Almost no counter play against him, and other champions are kinda just as toxic to play against when your chance to escape an assassin lasts less than the time it takes for your brain to take notice then something is wrong and unfair

That said I don't believe changing Kats abilities into skillshots will help

What they all need is big ass nerf to damage OR take away their escape mechanics When you can't touch them when they go in OR out then it's big reward for zero risk Again that is just wrong and unfair

Sire HippingtonJul 2, 20151 votes

there are other options, like Dianas Q+R synergie, she wants to land the skillshot first for her assasination, so there is counterplay, but if she lands it, she can get past the frontline.

Another option is Leonas E, which is also a skillshot gapcloser that allows to get past the enemie frontline. A skillshot does not always have to be blaockable by frontline or minions, you know?

also, wether or not a s dash is targeted has nothing to do with it reseting AAs. I actuall know of no targeted dash that resets your AA...

XinZhao2WinNhaoJul 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TENMunLa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-02T13:45:02.132+0000) also, wether or not a s dash is targeted has nothing to do with it reseting AAs. I actuall know of no targeted dash that resets your AA...

Wukong's E does. Akali's R probably does. Xin Zhao E

Sire HippingtonJul 2, 20151 votes

nope, don't know how you get that idea. Wu and Xin have a reset on their Q, but the dash doesn't reset their AA. I allows a fast followup with AAs as the animation of the dash is damn fast with no backswing(which is the case for Leonas E aswell btw), but if you first AA and then E, you will wait acording to your AS till the next AA happens.

XinZhao2WinNhaoJul 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TENMunLa,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2015-07-02T15:14:11.438+0000)

nope, don't know how you get that idea. Wu and Xin have a reset on their Q, but the dash doesn't reset their AA. I allows a fast followup with AAs as the animation of the dash is damn fast with no backswing(which is the case for Leonas E aswell btw), but if you first AA and then E, you will wait acording to your AS till the next AA happens.

It is still easier to follow a targeted dash with an AA as opposed to a skillshot dash that will probably only put you within the vicinity of the target as opposed to directly at the target like a targeted dash. Skillshot dashes that stop at an enemy champion also have this weird animation thing where it takes a little more time to aa after that

XinZhao2WinNhaoJul 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TENMunLa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-02T13:45:02.132+0000)

there are other options, like Dianas Q+R synergie, she wants to land the skillshot first for her assasination, so there is counterplay, but if she lands it, she can get past the frontline.

Another option is Leonas E, which is also a skillshot gapcloser that allows to get past the enemie frontline. A skillshot does not always have to be blaockable by frontline or minions, you know?

also, wether or not a s dash is targeted has nothing to do with it reseting AAs. I actuall know of no targeted dash that resets your AA...

Leona's E wouldn't be very reliable for an assassin either, since it's "to the last enemy struck" and that could be a minion, a tank or whatever too

Lich My AsheJul 2, 20152 votes

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Leona's E wouldn't be very reliable for an assassin either, since it's "to the last _Enemy Champion_* struck" ~~and that could be a minion, a tank or whatever too~~

There you go.

XinZhao2WinNhaoJul 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lich My Ashe,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TENMunLa,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2015-07-02T14:32:50.698+0000)

There you go.

could still be a tank

Sire HippingtonJul 2, 20151 votes

that stands behind his adc, gj tank! you could also cast it a bit shorter and not hit the tank behind the adc...

XinZhao2WinNhaoJul 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TENMunLa,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-02T17:11:50.109+0000)

that stands behind his adc, gj tank! you could also cast it a bit shorter and not hit the tank behind the adc...

if you have 2 tanks, one stands in front another stands behind to watch for sneak ganks from the jg

ShardbearerJul 2, 20151 votes

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if you have 2 tanks, one stands in front another stands behind to watch for sneak ganks from the jg

But then it would require some thought to use...

XinZhao2WinNhaoJul 2, 20151 votes

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But then it would require some thought to use...

thats what happens if you get out of bronze

ShardbearerJul 2, 20151 votes

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thats what happens if you get out of bronze

So you are saying getting out of bronze requires thought, so a champions abilities shouldn't?

XinZhao2WinNhaoJul 2, 20151 votes

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So you are saying getting out of bronze requires thought, so a champions abilities shouldn't?

No, i'm saying that assassins need a way to get past tanks, and they need a way to get past all the people around the adc

XinZhao2WinNhaoJul 2, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Pavoni,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=TENMunLa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-07-02T13:45:02.132+0000)

there are other options, like Dianas Q+R synergie, she wants to land the skillshot first for her assasination, so there is counterplay, but if she lands it, she can get past the frontline.

I like Diana's Q+R, I think it's great on Diana, but I don't think every champion needs something like it, otherwise it'd be a bit repetitive

Sire HippingtonJul 2, 20151 votes

it doesn't have to be the exact same way as on diana, just saying that there are options for tieing an gapcloser or assasination potential onto landing a skillshot beforhand, thus allowing some counterplay. If you look at Talon or Akali, they are extremly binary in what they do. Either they have the stats to kill you, or they don't. If they deside to go in, you can't avoid it and all their damage is failproof. However, both have poor option aside of an all in, they don't really have potent poke, and they lack reliable disengage, so if they go in and don't have enough damage to kill, they most likely die them self(atleast in a teamfight). Adding some more rome for fails and also plays is needed for an assasins(or prettymuch any) kit to be healthy.